DanS1992 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Like last season, and the season before that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BathRam72 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 13 hours ago, Tyler Durden said: In his 3 years at Derby I haven't seen much of a tangible improvement in Lawrence as a player which am not sure if down to the person himself, lack of coaching from his managers or a combination of the two. Think this is the biggest disappointment for me with the guy. You mean 3 managers/coaching teams haven't tried? Hmmmm. I personally think Lawrence has his problems and that is letting him down not the coaches. He appears to be struggling within himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 The deal with players like Lawrence is that they will be frustrating. Their talent, which others do not possess, is the ability to dribble past opponents. Statistically, they will fail to do so as much as they succeed. Others aren’t brave enough to try it, lest they fail. When Lawrence gets it right, he is likely to contribute a goal or an assist. When he doesn’t, we will lose possession and the fans will get agitated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBRammette Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Do we have to pull him to bits so much and put pressure on before he's even kicked a ball this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 hour ago, CBRammette said: Do we have to pull him to bits so much and put pressure on before he's even kicked a ball this season? Lawrence has the playets around him now that can get the best out of him. Knowing when to pass may need a bit of work but he scores good goals when he could have passed the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Just now, Rampage said: Lawrence has the playets around him now that can get the best out of him. Knowing when to pass may need a bit of work but he scores good goals when he could have passed the ball. So who is more likely to be ready than not for the game against Watford after injury or not playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 hour ago, CBRammette said: Do we have to pull him to bits so much and put pressure on before he's even kicked a ball this season? I hope I didn't come across as critical of him. I was merely pointing out that players who are exciting and take risks will fail more often than not but when they get it right they are the most exciting. Anyone can play the safe pass. Lawrence is one of those who takes responsibility for ramping things up. He doesn't always get support from those who only remember the failed attempts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsdubs Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 I was on Twitter the other day and I saw a load of Fulham fans slagging off Knockaert saying how poor his finishing is and how inconsistent he is. Thing is you know if we sold Lawrence and got Knockaert there'd be a load of fans on here and Twitter saying what an amazing bit of business it is etc. They'd all be sick of him after a season for being inconsistent because they expect magic every game. If Lawrence produced magic every game he'd be in the Premier League simple as that and we'd have a healthy bank balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 2017/18: 44 games, 6 goals, 8 assists. 2018/19: 40 games, 7 goals, 5 assists. 2019/20: 40 games, 10 goals, 5 assists. That's an excellent player to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 13 minutes ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said: 2017/18: 44 games, 6 goals, 8 assists. 2018/19: 40 games, 7 goals, 5 assists. 2019/20: 40 games, 10 goals, 5 assists. That's an excellent player to have. excellent, really? best I can come up with is useful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 11 minutes ago, Spanish said: excellent, really? best I can come up with is useful Okay so Firminho at Liverpool, who ran away with the league, a man regarded as a superstar, had 9 goals and 8 assists last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 4 hours ago, Anag Ram said: I was merely pointing out that players who are exciting and take risks will fail more often than not but when they get it right they are the most exciting. Anyone can play the safe pass. Lawrence is one of those who takes responsibility for ramping things up. Seems to have been the case for years - Ince used to get the same grief and was labelled as having a poor attitude or being lazy Everyone loves a bang average try-hard that's the problem - We all love a Bucko (I did too) because he always seems to be playing a bit above his level and therefore it seems like he's giving more for the team/working harder The truth is the job Lawrence does is as different from Knight/Waggers as Wisdom or Clarke's role are - Lawrence has the potential to single-handedly unlock a defence - Something that is a skill level above most players - But it's only gonna happen 2/3 times a game and at least that many times it's also not gonna pay off But fans don't like that and therefore they moan about him Hopefully having Jozwiak and Ibe will take some of the pressure off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 15 minutes ago, Anag Ram said: Okay so Firminho at Liverpool, who ran away with the league, a man regarded as a superstar, had 9 goals and 8 assists last year. Tom a superstar? really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Hope Tom is back soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 It wouldn’t surprise me to see Lawrence used as a false nine or converted to a mobile centre forward if we fail to get the striker we want before the deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePrisoner Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 3 hours ago, Spanish said: Tom a superstar? really? When did he say he that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
europia Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 6 hours ago, tomsdubs said: I was on Twitter the other day and I saw a load of Fulham fans slagging off Knockaert saying how poor his finishing is and how inconsistent he is. Thing is you know if we sold Lawrence and got Knockaert there'd be a load of fans on here and Twitter saying what an amazing bit of business it is etc. They'd all be sick of him after a season for being inconsistent because they expect magic every game. If Lawrence produced magic every game he'd be in the Premier League simple as that and we'd have a healthy bank balance. That's a fair point. Premier league clubs will splash out £20 million for a player just a few notches above Lawrence. We can't afford to pay that sort of money, so paying £5 million or so for players like Lawrence was where we were at that time, financially. That's the price for a decent championship standard player. As things stand, we are not even going to be spending that sort of money too often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Derby Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 7 hours ago, tomsdubs said: I was on Twitter the other day and I saw a load of Fulham fans slagging off Knockaert saying how poor his finishing is and how inconsistent he is. Thing is you know if we sold Lawrence and got Knockaert there'd be a load of fans on here and Twitter saying what an amazing bit of business it is etc. They'd all be sick of him after a season for being inconsistent because they expect magic every game. If Lawrence produced magic every game he'd be in the Premier League simple as that and we'd have a healthy bank balance. That Knockers guy is on his way to the Red Dogs on loan. Excellent business for them if true. Ripped us to shreds on more than one occasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 I think players improving through coaching is one of the biggest myths in professional football. They may more consistently show their best through repetition in a role, and more experience leads to better decisions, but it's as rare as hen's teeth to see a player improve on their technical skills once they've made their first start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsdubs Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 14 hours ago, Abu Derby said: That Knockers guy is on his way to the Red Dogs on loan. Excellent business for them if true. Ripped us to shreds on more than one occasion. Has he? Maybe my memory is bad but you'll have to remind me which games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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