S8TY Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 th 1 minute ago, S8TY said: its not a battle to see who is right you keep expecting us to be the finished article when there is a lot of work going on from top to bottom and means lots of hours of work but we have only just started to give Cocu some players that he actually appears to want so needs to be cut some slack...you want it all now ...and would be happier with a spendthrift manager trying to buy success when Cocu has been brought in because of how he coaches youngsters and makes profit from those players generating money to buy players or missing parts of a team...Cocu like all managers is not flawless and will have his critics...some City fans moan about Pep so you're not alone...but you seem so impatient and see a lot of things that I dont personally see ...like saying its drummed into Bird to not go forward etc when this is only your opinion but it is always an underhand dig at Cocu and his coaching because you don't beleive in what hes doing or don't rate him or whatever.but do you know how frustrating it is to coach people then see them not carry it out when you've seen them do it multiple times in training etc ..I'm trying to give a bit of balance thats all because i see some of the negatives you perceive as positives if....if...we want to progress...was never going to happen overnight and as i said before if at the end of this season we are seen to not having progressed and have given Cocu the players he wants within reason of course then it can be re evaluated but at this moment he needs a bit of patience...he is our first ever foreign coach...give the bloke a chance and try not to jump on everything and think its easy what the club is trying to do...it isn't....and it takes time so take all the excuses away from Cocu and in time if it is not right he will have nowhere to go but blame himself or perhaps he is not right for us at this time but at the moment I'm right behind him and Mel giving the kids a chance and seeing if we can build a sustainable model and solid foundations to enable us to compete if we were to ever get to the prem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Is this the same person who suggested Clarke play up front? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard246 Posted September 16, 2020 Author Share Posted September 16, 2020 Go back to Liverpool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longeatonram2020 Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 6 hours ago, Jourdan said: Our record before lockdown with Rooney and Bird together in the side was OK. Played: 10 Won: 4 - Drew: 3 - Lost: 3 Points: 15 from 30 There were some fantastic performances - Stoke at home, Swansea away and Sheffield Wednesday away. But the overall spell probably seemed better than it actually was, one because we had been so bad before January and two because we were playing bottom half sides by and large. For me, I just feel we need to keep raising the bar and we won’t do that by continuing with Bird and Rooney as a double pivot. Better teams will exploit it as our results in July proved. Our downturn in form coincided with Lawrence and Waghorns suspensions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard246 Posted September 26, 2020 Author Share Posted September 26, 2020 Are we still saying Bird could not play centre - half because he can’t play midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 An interesting interview with Max Bird after the game yesterday but also talks about training and 'clean slates' and 'no-ones guaranteed to get in the team now..' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Martin Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 On 16/09/2020 at 07:15, Richard246 said: Just a thought about Max with all his attributes I would like to see him play in the centre of defence ??? your joking right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 23 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: An interesting interview with Max Bird after the game yesterday but also talks about training and 'clean slates' and 'no-ones guaranteed to get in the team now..' The transition must be hard, from mates to manager, especially for the players. Rosie and Wazza for example, not Liam and Wayne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BramcoteRam84 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Fair play to Max, out the team again and like last time when he was dropped he’s responded and was one our best performers yesterday. I’d back him to keep his place in the team for the remainder of the season now and the media will be hailing him an outstanding season prospect again as he undoubtedly is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, Rev said: The transition must be hard, from mates to manager, especially for the players. Rosie and Wazza for example, not Liam and Wayne. Maybe it's 'new school' and they are told to call them that!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, BramcoteRam84 said: Fair play to Max, out the team again and like last time when he was dropped he’s responded and was one our best performers yesterday. I’d back him to keep his place in the team for the remainder of the season now and the media will be hailing him an outstanding season prospect again as he undoubtedly is If we go for a midfield 3 he misses out for me...Bielik, Knight and Sibley..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BramcoteRam84 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Just now, Jimbo Ram said: If we go for a midfield 3 he misses out for me...Bielik, Knight and Sibley..... Bielik has to get fit first and I’d quite like to see Bird Knight and Sibley, don’t think we’re quite ready for that. Think we need Rooney’s experience there at least in short term. If we went 4-2-3-1, could have Bird and Knight in the 2 with Sibley at 10. Bielik battling to take Bird or Wisdom’s spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIllyD Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Best midfield prospect we have for me, cracking player whose work off the ball will often go unnoticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 1 minute ago, BramcoteRam84 said: Bielik has to get fit first and I’d quite like to see Bird Knight and Sibley, don’t think we’re quite ready for that. Think we need Rooney’s experience there at least in short term. If we went 4-2-3-1, could have Bird and Knight in the 2 with Sibley at 10. Bielik battling to take Bird or Wisdom’s spot. I want to see Bielik in midfield, think he will be our enforcer, enable us to play 433 and free up others to push forward. Bird to fill in when needed ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Based on yesterda's performance the Rooney-Bird pairing looks as good as anything else we've tried this season and should stay for the next game. Bird is really good but we need to remember he's still quite a young player and he did need dropping when he did, he's come back from it well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Jimbo Ram said: I want to see Bielik in midfield, think he will be our enforcer, enable us to play 433 and free up others to push forward. Bird to fill in when needed ? I think Bird could be play further forward with Bielik as the anchor, although that means on of Knght and Sibley not playing there. That, and somehow Rooney must be shoehorned into the team.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Ram Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 1 minute ago, RadioactiveWaste said: I think Bird could be play further forward with Bielik as the anchor, although that means on of Knght and Sibley not playing there. That, and somehow Rooney must be shoehorned into the team.... That’s what frustrates me about the Rooney situation, holding back our best formation and starting X1 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jimbo Ram said: That’s what frustrates me about the Rooney situation, holding back our best formation and starting X1 ? Rooney is the anchor, we need his quality and experience on the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIllyD Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Rooney is the anchor, we need his quality and experience on the pitch. I'm sure some will feel you have missed the W from one of your words, however I agree. He has that extra quality in his passing that no one else has within the team, the younger players will learn more playing alongside him then they ever would through every day coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 13 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said: I think Bird could be play further forward with Bielik as the anchor, although that means on of Knght and Sibley not playing there. That, and somehow Rooney must be shoehorned into the team.... Rotation. 5 subs should mean they all get game time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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