ariotofmyown Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, oldtimeram said: Tell Morris that before he finds his trigger finger still works When did he last sack a manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Saunder’s hat trick Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 15 minutes ago, MACKWORTHRAM said: This is the problem with changing managers so regularly. Cocu is the first manager to start back to back seasons since Clough in 2013. 7 years with a new manager at the start of every season. A new manager comes in and will inevitably want his own players in to fit into the system he wants to play. Some players we have will be suited to the system they play others won't. This is why it's imperative we stick with Cocu. Absolutely agree. I was thinking a few days ago that if cocu lasts the season it must be the first time we’ve had the same manager for 2 full season since Clough. It’s about time we had some stability! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKWORTHRAM Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 1 hour ago, KBB said: Agree 100% We also need a change from the fans thinking we need to sign 5 or 6 players every season. Only have to look on here and see people demanding we sign multiple wingers and strikers, new full backs and defenders plus attacking midfielders. It's a disease within our fan base and probably other clubs fans too. There seems to be a mentality that to show ambition and move forwards as a club you have to keep signing players and turning over the squad. No wonder we waste money have had bloated squad stacked in certain positions. If in doubt chuck a load of money at it seems to be a hard cycle to break I agree with you to an extent mate. I'd happily sign a left back, another winger and a striker now. Then moving forward we wouldn't need to strengthen to this extent in every window. Need a squad that stays together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Gnarly Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 1 hour ago, ariotofmyown said: When did he last sack a manager? Mac 2 was the last sacking if I remember correctly. Since then we have probably made money on managers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deanoakaram4life Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, MACKWORTHRAM said: I agree with you to an extent mate. I'd happily sign a left back, another winger and a striker now. Then moving forward we wouldn't need to strengthen to this extent in every window. Need a squad that stays together. You think Ibe will come mate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKWORTHRAM Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 33 minutes ago, deanoakaram4life said: You think Ibe will come mate? I know as much as the next person mate. The only thing I did know for certain was that he wasn't at Moor Farm on the day it came out that he was having a medical. We clearly want him. There's clearly something happening. Wouldn't surprise me if something was already agreed. But I don't know really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 2 hours ago, MACKWORTHRAM said: This is the problem with changing managers so regularly. Cocu is the first manager to start back to back seasons since Clough in 2013. 7 years with a new manager at the start of every season. A new manager comes in and will inevitably want his own players in to fit into the system he wants to play. Some players we have will be suited to the system they play others won't. This is why it's imperative we stick with Cocu. Blatantly true, MR, unless we are in the bottom three. Hang on, we are in the bottom three. COYR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 2 hours ago, MACKWORTHRAM said: This is the problem with changing managers so regularly. Cocu is the first manager to start back to back seasons since Clough in 2013. 7 years with a new manager at the start of every season. A new manager comes in and will inevitably want his own players in to fit into the system he wants to play. Some players we have will be suited to the system they play others won't. This is why it's imperative we stick with Cocu. Your posts are excellent, MR. So are Ghost of Clough's. Well done both of you. COYR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 54 minutes ago, Bob Gnarly said: Mac 2 was the last sacking if I remember correctly. Since then we have probably made money on managers! Hilarious if true. Certainly true of Rowett and Lampard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 2 hours ago, MACKWORTHRAM said: This is the problem with changing managers so regularly. Cocu is the first manager to start back to back seasons since Clough in 2013. 7 years with a new manager at the start of every season. A new manager comes in and will inevitably want his own players in to fit into the system he wants to play. Some players we have will be suited to the system they play others won't. This is why it's imperative we stick with Cocu. Been saying this season after season to the point I was genuinely disappointed Gary snarky rowett Left, not because i was a fan of his football but because I believe we craved stability in order to succeed for the very reasons uv stated the same applies to cocu, not a fan of his football, but I’m firmly behind him in the name of stability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 1 hour ago, KBB said: Agree 100% We also need a change from the fans thinking we need to sign 5 or 6 players every season. Only have to look on here and see people demanding we sign multiple wingers and strikers, new full backs and defenders plus attacking midfielders. It's a disease within our fan base and probably other clubs fans too. There seems to be a mentality that to show ambition and move forwards as a club you have to keep signing players and turning over the squad. No wonder we waste money have had bloated squad stacked in certain positions. If in doubt chuck a load of money at it seems to be a hard cycle to break I am not sure this is true. I don’t think fans care about new signing after new signing if they are confident in the manager and his ability to get the best out of the squad. You can’t be surprised that there is a clamour for signings at the moment. Many Derby fans believe the players are not good enough and the players are holding us back. Many believe that Cocu needs his own players before he can achieve anything. So it is a vicious circle. If the majority believed that Cocu could turn Whittaker into a game-changing winger or Marriott into a clinical striker, the transfer pages of this forum would be deserted. With the right man at the helm, the clamour for transfers doesn’t ordinarily extend beyond one or two players unless you have just been promoted to the Premier League and need to revamp the squad. Back in 2014 after the Wembley heartache, the only player we wanted was George Thorne because we were happy with McClaren, how the team was being handled, and wanted to keep the team together so it could blossom. At times during that season, news of a new signing was actually met with outward disappointment and frustration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireRam Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 1 minute ago, Rampage said: Hilarious if true. Certainly true of Rowett and Lampard. Some are very quick to blame Mel for our recent managerial merry-go round but I think with the last 3 he has genuinely tried to make long-term appointments... just typical Derby luck the previous 2 got their heads turned after a solitary season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 6 hours ago, i-Ram said: I don’t know if it is true, as I have only just made it up, but I hear we are only interested in Ibe so he can offer Wisdom some protection when he goes up to visit his mum. ...and he can driv...oh! ...‘ang on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 1 hour ago, MACKWORTHRAM said: I agree with you to an extent mate. I'd happily sign a left back, another winger and a striker now. Then moving forward we wouldn't need to strengthen to this extent in every window. Need a squad that stays together. Agreed - And at the core of that is having a manager who sticks around 27 minutes ago, Jourdan said: Back in 2014 after the Wembley heartache, the only player we wanted was George Thorne because we were happy with McClaren, how the team was being handled, and wanted to keep the team together so it could blossom. True - But you have to remember that squad was pretty much assembled over 7 years by Nigel - Macca added one or two but the basis of that squad was already in place when he arrived Cocu hasn't had that luxury - He's building more from scratch - Teaching a team some discipline and organisation is one thing but attacking flair and creativity isn't something which can be coached into players and that's what we're missing 26 minutes ago, YorkshireRam said: Some are very quick to blame Mel for our recent managerial merry-go round but I think with the last 3 he has genuinely tried to make long-term appointments... just typical Derby luck the previous 2 got their heads turned after a solitary season As much as I hated the football we played I think Rowett left for more 'noble' reasons - He said after leaving that living near Derby and with his lad being a big Derby fan it was hard on the family when we lost - Sounds like his family didn't really like the attention and pressure of being constantly surrounded by 'work related tension' and that was part of the reason he left - I don't blame him for that at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Trav Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 21 minutes ago, cheron85 said: As much as I hated the football we played I think Rowett left for more 'noble' reasons - He said after leaving that living near Derby and with his lad being a big Derby fan it was hard on the family when we lost - Sounds like his family didn't really like the attention and pressure of being constantly surrounded by 'work related tension' and that was part of the reason he left - I don't blame him for that at all His son got bullied when we lost. He got a lot of stick. They’re still a Derby supporting family tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtimeram Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Bob Gnarly said: Mac 2 was the last sacking if I remember correctly. Since then we have probably made money on managers! Was Mac 2 after Pearson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerbyPride Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 10 minutes ago, Big Trav said: His son got bullied when we lost. He got a lot of stick. They’re still a Derby supporting family tho Shouldn't have made us lose then should he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brammie Steve Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 I was at a match once where a certain Brian Clough presented Mr. Ian Storey Moore to us as "Our latest signing". Anyone else who was there that day can still picture the scene. To anyone who wasn't I say... Google it and see why managers keep shtum about transfers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elwood P Dowd Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Brummie Steve said: I was at a match once where a certain Brian Clough presented Mr. Ian Storey Moore to ua as "Our latest signing". Anyone else who was there that day can still picture the scene. To anyone who wasn't I say... Google it and see why managers keep shtum about transfers! I was also there, I was also surprised when Storey Moore signed for Man Utd. moral of the Storey....don’t count your chickens before their hatched? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brammie Steve Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Elwood P Dowd said: I was also there, I was also surprised when Storey Moore signed for Man Utd. moral of the Storey....don’t count your chickens before their hatched? You mean not a storey, moore a fiasco? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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