David Posted December 28, 2020 Author Share Posted December 28, 2020 2 hours ago, MuespachRam said: Only 1 of those things Is happening. Who do you see winning the league then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 7 hours ago, David said: Who do you see winning the league then? U n I t e d United are the team for me David 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 showing the victims how to play West Brom. Easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted December 29, 2020 Author Share Posted December 29, 2020 17 minutes ago, MuespachRam said: showing the victims how to play West Brom. Easy. Fluke ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 41 minutes ago, David said: Fluke ? Ha ha. Yep.. seems like It. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StockholmRam Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 On 27/12/2020 at 23:30, Mafiabob said: I think we have plenty of those who support this club. Could be right Bob, however, this is UK and its got four class systems of entitlement... plus Leeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePrisoner Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 Strange club. Very strange. TigerTedd 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share Posted December 30, 2020 As much as I dislike Leeds, that was a strange comment to make by Karen Carney. It’s rattled their fan base though so fair play to her for that. Any tweet she makes now will be full of thousands of Leeds fans so RIP her Twitter account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottingram Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 It is a pretty silly opinion and the stats show it is untrue really. They were the best team in the league last season, comfortably. But the club’s social team know, or at least should know, that Twitter is a complete cesspit and calling something out like that is just going to lead to abuse, and with the opinion coming from a woman, from a minority the abuse isn’t going to be based on her opinion it is going to be based on her gender. So it is a pretty irresponsible thing to have tweeted in my opinion and they are rightly getting stick for it. To be clear I don’t think the club has done this because of her gender, as I have seen them call out Gabby Agbonlahor previously. But I think they should have had some awareness of what it would inevitably lead to. DarkFruitsRam7 and David 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 It's a comment I've seen others make - that the lock down break saved the Leeds team from blowing up as they did in the previous season. Reggie Greenwood and RadioactiveWaste 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 56 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said: It's a comment I've seen others make - that the lock down break saved the Leeds team from blowing up as they did in the previous season. Did they? I don't remember! What happened? ?? Van der MoodHoover and rynny 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share Posted December 30, 2020 43 minutes ago, nottingram said: It is a pretty silly opinion and the stats show it is untrue really. They were the best team in the league last season, comfortably. But the club’s social team know, or at least should know, that Twitter is a complete cesspit and calling something out like that is just going to lead to abuse, and with the opinion coming from a woman, from a minority the abuse isn’t going to be based on her opinion it is going to be based on her gender. So it is a pretty irresponsible thing to have tweeted in my opinion and they are rightly getting stick for it. To be clear I don’t think the club has done this because of her gender, as I have seen them call out Gabby Agbonlahor previously. But I think they should have had some awareness of what it would inevitably lead to. It’s a difficult one, as you say they’ve done it before with male pundits so it’s clearly not a case of sexism. But, are we in danger of protecting women too much in that they are above criticism? Should they not be treated as equal and take what comes with the job, which in football is criticism from all angles on your opinions. It was a silly comment to make, I get where she was going with the burnout, but to say they only went up because of Covid is as daft as it gets, and that’s coming from someone that despises the club. I haven’t scrolled down the replies enough to see if sexist replies have been made, would put money on it they have and you can argue the club should have known better, but we go back to, they have previous for this and should we protect female pundits from criticism, would she and other female pundits want this, or do they want their gender to be a none issue and hold discussions on football on a level playing field as men? What would be nice now would be to see the club dig into the replies, find the most revolting sexist replies, share them and make it clear the club do not condone these kind of comments, and ask fans that share these views stay away from Elland Road. Show that you can criticise the opinion without gender being an issue. archram and nottingram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottingram Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 34 minutes ago, David said: It’s a difficult one, as you say they’ve done it before with male pundits so it’s clearly not a case of sexism. But, are we in danger of protecting women too much in that they are above criticism? Should they not be treated as equal and take what comes with the job, which in football is criticism from all angles on your opinions. It was a silly comment to make, I get where she was going with the burnout, but to say they only went up because of Covid is as daft as it gets, and that’s coming from someone that despises the club. I haven’t scrolled down the replies enough to see if sexist replies have been made, would put money on it they have and you can argue the club should have known better, but we go back to, they have previous for this and should we protect female pundits from criticism, would she and other female pundits want this, or do they want their gender to be a none issue and hold discussions on football on a level playing field as men? What would be nice now would be to see the club dig into the replies, find the most revolting sexist replies, share them and make it clear the club do not condone these kind of comments, and ask fans that share these views stay away from Elland Road. Show that you can criticise the opinion without gender being an issue. I think all pundits should be open to scrutiny but unfortunately we aren’t yet in a position that pundits such as Karen Carney, Alex Scott or Eni Aluko are open to scrutiny for their opinions rather than their gender, but I’m sure they would love it if we were. Ultimately I just think tweets like that are a crap idea. All meant as a bit of fun I am sure but I don’t think anyone deserves abuse of any kind just for holding a crap opinion, be that male or female. I think there’s a huge difference to all the ?? accounts making their own way there to give some abuse off their own back and essentially being directed there by what should be an extension of official club messaging. I’ve also no doubt that if any club adopted a similar social media policy that they would have their own fair share of scumbags who would do the same, this isn’t a Leeds thing. I wholeheartedly agree with your last paragraph or two. The club should now condemn the worst of the abuse and make it clear that if they can identify anyone from it they will be banned from the ground etc etc. Of course it doesn’t help that their owner has already condoned the tweet from the club. Ultimately all it has done is ensure no one is talking about a great result for them over WBA. David and archram 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share Posted December 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, nottingram said: Of course it doesn’t help that their owner has already condoned the tweet from the club. Not a surprise, a club with very few morales which we’ve seen ourselves. Do agree with everything else you wrote, social media accounts are looking to maximise interactions, Watford another club that like the edgy approach. All about numbers, they can take these to sell adverts, companies won’t dig too far into where they have come from so it will continue, if not get worse over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cstand Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Karen has brought about this situation on herself by her stupid comments stop blaming other people. Leeds United have every right to defend their track record over the last two seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottingram Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 22 minutes ago, cstand said: Karen has brought about this situation on herself by her stupid comments stop blaming other people. Leeds United have every right to defend their track record over the last two seasons. Yes, clearly she deserves to receive sexist abuse for having a daft opinion on football. I’ll leave it alone now because as I said previously I don’t really think the fans sending sexist abuse are exclusive to Leeds. This thread is best used for laughing at Leeds when they lose 6-2 to Man United, not for chats about bigoted football fans ?? Comrade 86 and Reggie Greenwood 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB SPORTS Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) Far from me defend Leeds i have some sympathy from the "i am a pundit my opinion counts more than you brigade" When challenged they don't like it back. For every good one Sue Smith, Alex Scott, Stephen Warnock, there's a Carragher, Keane, Lianne Sanderson. The latter three are just there to provide controversy. Edited December 30, 2020 by SIXTEEN AGAIN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Leeds fans brigading people/teams/fans when they don’t like it... shock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuffLuff Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) Football is all about opinions, unless ofcourse that opinion is about Leeds United because they won’t like what you’ve said. Not like Leeds to make something out of nothing though is it? Edited December 30, 2020 by TuffLuff Comrade 86 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 I haven't got a clue what is going on here. Could someone perhaps host a 66 minute long Powerpoint presentation, to enlighten me? Gracias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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