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1 minute ago, RoyMac5 said:

Errr Martin had two promotions "On his return to Norwich, he was an important first team player as the club recorded successive promotions from League One and the Championship in the 2009–10 and 2010–11 seasons."

Blimey, ballon d’or material.

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11 hours ago, G STAR RAM said:

Didnt we sell Ince and Vydra for tidy profits?

How do you know nobody has been interested in our players?

Maybe, just maybe we have turned offers down to try and keep teams together?

You have named 2 players there out of about 50 signed since the 2013 - 14 season. 

Any- 4 million then release 

B Johnson 6 million then release

Butterfield 5 million then release

Blackman 3.5 million then release 

Olson - just under million then release 

Camera 1.25 million then release 

Waghorn 8 million and has 1 year left so he could yet walk. 

Waghorn will probably not fetch a profit now but I'll leave him out. That's a handful of players and that is 20 million with no return. And people wonder why we sale so closely to ffp. Didn't Mel say at one fan forum if you buy a player and they get released it looks the worst on ffp form and that's why we had to extend contracts. Never mind the fees paid and then you have the wages it is even worse. We need to get away from buying players for the sake of it and buy players to make the team better but also have one eye on getting more money for them. This is why the scouting team needs a good looking at. I'd be surprised if we scouted past the UK border tbh. I would be getting cocu if he really is the guy Mel sees as the long term for Derby and I'm talking 4 years or more to go and get his own scouting team or at least a few to add who know the player calibres in the foreign leagues. 

If we really sign this guy I have to question what way we really want to go as when he came in we were going in a different direction of buying younger players who we can improve while also using our amazing academy. I would rather sign noone and give jhi the slot instead of wasting wages on Gregory. Not saying he's tosh bit his wages will be high which will be a waste and for an average striker who martin scored more than in less games and by quite a few too I'd rather we either give Martin the 2 year contract or see if Hector ingdam can grab his chance 

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9 minutes ago, Barney1991 said:

You have named 2 players there out of about 50 signed since the 2013 - 14 season. 

Any- 4 million then release 

B Johnson 6 million then release

Butterfield 5 million then release

Blackman 3.5 million then release 

Olson - just under million then release 

Camera 1.25 million then release 

Waghorn 8 million and has 1 year left so he could yet walk. 

Waghorn will probably not fetch a profit now but I'll leave him out. That's a handful of players and that is 20 million with no return. And people wonder why we sale so closely to ffp. Didn't Mel say at one fan forum if you buy a player and they get released it looks the worst on ffp form and that's why we had to extend contracts. Never mind the fees paid and then you have the wages it is even worse. We need to get away from buying players for the sake of it and buy players to make the team better but also have one eye on getting more money for them. This is why the scouting team needs a good looking at. I'd be surprised if we scouted past the UK border tbh. I would be getting cocu if he really is the guy Mel sees as the long term for Derby and I'm talking 4 years or more to go and get his own scouting team or at least a few to add who know the player calibres in the foreign leagues. 

If we really sign this guy I have to question what way we really want to go as when he came in we were going in a different direction of buying younger players who we can improve while also using our amazing academy. I would rather sign noone and give jhi the slot instead of wasting wages on Gregory. Not saying he's tosh bit his wages will be high which will be a waste and for an average striker who martin scored more than in less games and by quite a few too I'd rather we either give Martin the 2 year contract or see if Hector ingdam can grab his chance 

When you add in wages it is probably closer to 30 million...

I say this quite confidently, if you gave me 30 million to spend on fees and wages, I would be able to purchase the best part of a full team of players, couldnt guarantee promotion, but there would be some cracking players in there.

Had I had that money at the time, my top 3 targets were Tom Cairney from Blackburn and both Lewis Dunk and Dale Stephen's from Brighton. All 3 could have been signed at the time for circa 10 million.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said:

Had I had that money at the time, my top 3 targets were Tom Cairney from Blackburn and both Lewis Dunk and Dale Stephen's from Brighton. All 3 could have been signed at the time for circa 10 million.

Massive congratulations on both your powerful hindsight and ability to field a team with a squad size under 20 every week for a championship season

We can all look back and decide that players were a waste of money but at the time they were brought in for a specific reason - Clement signed Johnson and Butterfield as direct replacements for the recently injured Bryson and Hughes - The benefit of time has made those signings seem less valuable (although I'd argue we got our money's worth out of Bradders) but they had logic - Going back over 4/5 years and saying "well that was a waste" is just simple revisionist history - For starters you assume any of those players would want to come to Derby...

Just a final point - We've been linked with about a billion players over the last few years and signed (I'd guess) way less than 10% of them - We often see links for players from 'local' clubs which I think is simply agent talk - And we've had several occasions where signings have suddenly appeared out of nowhere - So take this with a pinch of salt - But also, if the manager wants a player and he's got a reason for wanting that player I'm personally gonna trust him more than anyone on here... He had a shaky start getting used to this league but I firmly believe he's got his head around it now and has worked out the kind of players he wants for his side

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4 minutes ago, cheron85 said:

Massive congratulations on both your powerful hindsight and ability to field a team with a squad size under 20 every week for a championship season

We can all look back and decide that players were a waste of money but at the time they were brought in for a specific reason - Clement signed Johnson and Butterfield as direct replacements for the recently injured Bryson and Hughes - The benefit of time has made those signings seem less valuable (although I'd argue we got our money's worth out of Bradders) but they had logic - Going back over 4/5 years and saying "well that was a waste" is just simple revisionist history - For starters you assume any of those players would want to come to Derby...

Just a final point - We've been linked with about a billion players over the last few years and signed (I'd guess) way less than 10% of them - We often see links for players from 'local' clubs which I think is simply agent talk - And we've had several occasions where signings have suddenly appeared out of nowhere - So take this with a pinch of salt - But also, if the manager wants a player and he's got a reason for wanting that player I'm personally gonna trust him more than anyone on here... He had a shaky start getting used to this league but I firmly believe he's got his head around it now and has worked out the kind of players he wants for his side

Well for a starters johnson called us Derby city and if you read a recent interview with him he never wanted to come here he wanted to stay at Norwich. And if by signing a player for 6 million at 28 and then forcing to give an extra year because his wages were so high as good business then I have to disagree with your opinion on this. The one we did decent business with out of any of those signings was weimann got good games out of him when he was given a chance out of position and also gained a profit or broke even with him. 

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24 minutes ago, cheron85 said:

Massive congratulations on both your powerful hindsight and ability to field a team with a squad size under 20 every week for a championship season

We can all look back and decide that players were a waste of money but at the time they were brought in for a specific reason - Clement signed Johnson and Butterfield as direct replacements for the recently injured Bryson and Hughes - The benefit of time has made those signings seem less valuable (although I'd argue we got our money's worth out of Bradders) but they had logic - Going back over 4/5 years and saying "well that was a waste" is just simple revisionist history - For starters you assume any of those players would want to come to Derby...

Just a final point - We've been linked with about a billion players over the last few years and signed (I'd guess) way less than 10% of them - We often see links for players from 'local' clubs which I think is simply agent talk - And we've had several occasions where signings have suddenly appeared out of nowhere - So take this with a pinch of salt - But also, if the manager wants a player and he's got a reason for wanting that player I'm personally gonna trust him more than anyone on here... He had a shaky start getting used to this league but I firmly believe he's got his head around it now and has worked out the kind of players he wants for his side

Thank you Cheron, not everyone is fortunate enough to be born with the gift.

Lewis Dunk and Dalw Stephen's would have walked here and signed for us, we had just beaten Brighton very well in the playoffs and we were a team on the up.

Cairney was a little more unknown, not as a player, it was evident he was quality at Blackburn. But, signing for Fulham, an ex prem team, who knows if he would have come. But our ambition and the way we were chucking money round like confetti, I reckon he would have come.

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16 minutes ago, Barney1991 said:

Well for a starters johnson called us Derby city and if you read a recent interview with him he never wanted to come here he wanted to stay at Norwich. And if by signing a player for 6 million at 28 and then forcing to give an extra year because his wages were so high as good business then I have to disagree with your opinion on this. The one we did decent business with out of any of those signings was weimann got good games out of him when he was given a chance out of position and also gained a profit or broke even with him. 

We got 140+ games out of him - 30+ games a season over 4 years - He scored about 4 goals a season for us (better than all but one season for Norwich) and he never seemed to give anything less than 100% for us

I hate this 'buying players to make a profit' idea - I want players who make a difference for the club and take us to a different level - I also don't want to then sell those players - I think Johnson was a decent punt on a player who seemed to be entering the prime of his career - He was then unfortunate (as many were) to experience constantly changing managers, styles of play and position - But through that he always played hard and helped us to several playoffs

I've not stated this as 'good business' btw - Just think we got our money's worth - As above I hate the idea of buying players who are 'good business' - That just means we're trying to buy players who we want to sell and I hate selling our best players

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11 minutes ago, MackworthRamIsGod said:

Thank you Cheron, not everyone is fortunate enough to be born with the gift.

Lewis Dunk and Dalw Stephen's would have walked here and signed for us, we had just beaten Brighton very well in the playoffs and we were a team on the up.

Cairney was a little more unknown, not as a player, it was evident he was quality at Blackburn. But, signing for Fulham, an ex prem team, who knows if he would have come. But our ambition and the way we were chucking money round like confetti, I reckon he would have come.

We had no money after the playoff final - We were signing bargains from Coventry and loads of loan players at that point - I'm not sure where you think we were getting the £10m a pop you quoted as their price?

We took the punt on Ince rather than Cairney at the end of 14-15 which I think on the basis of his performances for us by then was the right moves - And then Cairney had moved to Fulham by the time Hughes and Bryson were injured - At the point Cairney was potentially available we had Hughes as a first choice creative midfield player and I don't think Cairney would have moved to be backup? We were already puzzled about how to field Hughes, Hendrick and Bryson in the same team

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33 minutes ago, JustOneChrissyMartin said:

Not sure how many times people need to hear this, but, Waghorn. Was not. 8. Million.

He was 5 rising to 8 from various reports. No-one will have the indications what the add ons are promotion appreances will most likely be in there so yes it could fetch 8 million in the end. With aporeances and other add ons without the promotion bonus could maybe still be 7. Still a lot of money for someone who signed from Ipswich for couple hundred thousand 

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1 hour ago, MackworthRamIsGod said:

If I had that money at the time, my top 3 targets were Tom Cairney from Blackburn and both Lewis Dunk and Dale Stephen's from Brighton. All 3 could have been signed at the time for circa 10 million.

Stephens was a target. I think it was when  that stalled we went for Johnson. 

Butters and Johnson were very capable players in this division at the time, and far from the end of their careers, both had been at the level required of a team chasing promotion. They both showed it here in flashes. 

The problem was neither fit our system at the time and we slowly destroyed them.

Ultimately had Vydra not eventually been played in his preferred position, I think he would have struggled similarly, and we would likely have been stuck with another expensive underachiever. 

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59 minutes ago, cheron85 said:

We had no money after the playoff final - We were signing bargains from Coventry and loads of loan players at that point - I'm not sure where you think we were getting the £10m a pop you quoted as their price?

We took the punt on Ince rather than Cairney at the end of 14-15 which I think on the basis of his performances for us by then was the right moves - And then Cairney had moved to Fulham by the time Hughes and Bryson were injured - At the point Cairney was potentially available we had Hughes as a first choice creative midfield player and I don't think Cairney would have moved to be backup? We were already puzzled about how to field Hughes, Hendrick and Bryson in the same team

You are absolutely right, beating Brighton was 12 months previous, apologies.

But, I wanted to make these signings when Clement was in charge. I still have no doubt Dunk and Stephen's would have been more than happy to sign for us.

 

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1 hour ago, JustOneChrissyMartin said:

Not sure how many times people need to hear this, but, Waghorn. Was not. 8. Million.

And Blackman was not 3.5 mill that was the top line with add ons that never were never reached. If i recall "Big" Sam said 750K initial fee and up to 3.5 with goal and promotion bonuses

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