Wolfie20 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 33 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: Of course they can, but it usually takes weeks if not months of hard work in training to make the transition - I very much doubt 2 days between matches will be enough time to prepare. If Evans was being re-trained as a centre back, he’d have played there already this season given our defensive issues. You only have to look at the absolute catastrophe of Forsyth at CB to see the dangers of playing players out of position in such an important role in the team. Think Cocu would be more aware than most of the 'dangers' as you put it. I'll go with his decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 20 minutes ago, The Orange Pimpernel said: The question is would you want us to continue to play out from the back with Curtis in the side or would you prefer us to play the longer game and battle for second balls in midfield & up front? I think Rooney will become even more important if Davies is playing. He’d need to start dropping deeper to pick the ball up from the CB’s, then start spraying it around like he did vs Palace in the cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Wolfie20 said: Think Cocu would be more aware than most of the 'dangers' as you put it. I'll go with his decision. I’m 95% sure his decision will be to play Davies, this is the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 38 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: Of course they can, but it usually takes weeks if not months of hard work in training to make the transition - I very much doubt 2 days between matches will be enough time to prepare. If Evans was being re-trained as a centre back, he’d have played there already this season given our defensive issues. You only have to look at the absolute catastrophe of Forsyth at CB to see the dangers of playing players out of position in such an important role in the team. Well it’s a good job it hasn’t just been 2 days of training. Even just at Derby, he was training as CB for a large period towards the end of last season and in pre-season. He was used as a CB a lot when at Reading too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 19 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: If Evans was any good he'd have got in before Wis is the point, plus he'd get on instead of Davies when Bogle gets subbed and Wis put RB. I mean what kind of logic is that? Cocu didn't fancy Shinnie either, but after playing him for a while realised he had a place. Some players take time to prove their worth. Cocu didn't like Chris Martin at first either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Well it’s a good job it hasn’t just been 2 days of training. Even just at Derby, he was training as CB for a large period towards the end of last season and in pre-season. He was used as a CB a lot when at Reading too. How well did that go then? Because from what I’ve heard/read, their fans didn’t hugely rate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, Andicis said: I mean what kind of logic is that? Cocu didn't fancy Shinnie either, but after playing him for a while realised he had a place. Some players take time to prove their worth. Cocu didn't like Chris Martin at first either. Evans couldn't even get on the bench last game is that kind of logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 21 minutes ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said: If Chris Martin was any good, he’d have got in before Vydra, James Wilson, Nugent and Waghorn at in recent years. ? So true, and we had to wait soooo long to see him score his next Derby goal. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Just now, RoyMac5 said: Evans couldn't even get on the bench last game is that kind of logic. Again, you've completely missed my point. I'll leave it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammy03 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 49 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: Name me another (which isn’t a friendly)? Man United Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Just now, Andicis said: Again, you've completely missed my point. I'll leave it here. Oh okay. By miss the point you mean I don't agree with what you say. ? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Hughes Hair Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 The relentless nature of our fixture list and Curtis' age are factors here. I'm not sure he can play twice a week for the next three or four weeks. It's the reason Rooney is subbed off and hour if we're leading. It's done purely to protect him for the next game. Cocu may adapt this thinking for his centre halves and we may see Evans start three or so games with Curtis coming on as usual. Whichever of them starts against Preston won't make much difference. They are too poor upfront. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammy03 Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Evans couldn't even get on the bench last game is that kind of logic. Why is that relevant? Cocu clearly sees Davies as a better player to bring on in the dying minutes of a game to see out a result because he is a traditional head it kick it defender. Our best option to continue playing the football we have been, bringing the ball out with confidence, is Evans. I'd like to hear a legitimate reason why people think otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 36 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: How well did that go then? Because from what I’ve heard/read, their fans didn’t hugely rate him. Well enough for the manager to continue playing him there enough times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Scarlet Pimpernel Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Millenniumram said: I think Rooney will become even more important if Davies is playing. He’d need to start dropping deeper to pick the ball up from the CB’s, then start spraying it around like he did vs Palace in the cup. And if he and Matt Clarke are man marked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 This is what you get with Davies in the side... Pressure coming in from a mile away and he poos himself. Tries to play it out, but by the time he's controlled it and his pass gets to Wisdom, the Reading player was almost on his toes. A rushed pass back to Hamer as a result and it's cleared out for a throw just before the onrushing defender closes him down and the scores being level. Evans would have brought the ball under control much quicker and given the ball to Wisdom much sooner, or would have had the composure and vision to find a forward pass. No pressure on our own goal... and instead we've progressed to the half way line and are on the attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 4 hours ago, Rammy03 said: I must admit I would feel a whole lot better if Evans started. Every time he's played at centre half he's done a good job to be fair and can bring the ball out with confidence Evans has had a couple of decent games standing in at centre half but that’s it Davies has a career playing there at a very high level head it kick it and let Rooney have it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louby Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Could we not bring Forsyth to play with Clarke and put Lowe on the left? Maybe start Davis against Forrest. I’m not sure Davis would be able to cope with 2 games in a few days. Just a thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 10 hours ago, The Orange Pimpernel said: Playing out from the back is our whole ethos at the moment. Curtis isn't any good at it. If they mark our two holding midfielders like Reading did both centre backs need to be capable of carrying the ball out. Might need George Evans to step in like he did at Bristol City last season? I agree but it would be a blow to Curtis. He is a real trooper. How do you handle that as a manager I wonder. none the less I think Curtis will play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Sparkle said: Evans has had a couple of decent games standing in at centre half but that’s it Davies has a career playing there at a very high level head it kick it and let Rooney have it That’s fine if he heads or kicks it to Rooney. Sadly, he’s not (and would probably admit it himself) a strong ball player and often needs a short simple pass which isn’t always available. You might be safer with Davies (provided he keeps it simple) but I’d prefer Evans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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