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Has anyone been watching a new Netflix drama called the English Game about the early history of the FA Cup ?

It featured a dramatised game between Darwen & Derby St Lukes in the 1880s. ( St Lukes played in white shirts & black shorts ?? )

A bit of research and there were 4 teams from Derby in the tournament during the 1880s - Derby County, Derby St Lukes, Derby Midland & Derby Junction.

Derby Junction got beaten by WBA in the 1888 FA Cup semi final.

Each team has a wikipedia page & apparently Derby Midland merged with Derby County in 1891

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1 hour ago, SamUltraRam said:

Has anyone been watching a new Netflix drama called the English Game about the early history of the FA Cup ?

It featured a dramatised game between Darwen & Derby St Lukes in the 1880s. ( St Lukes played in white shirts & black shorts ?? )

A bit of research and there were 4 teams from Derby in the tournament during the 1880s - Derby County, Derby St Lukes, Derby Midland & Derby Junction.

Derby Junction got beaten by WBA in the 1888 FA Cup semi final.

Each team has a wikipedia page & apparently Derby Midland merged with Derby County in 1891

That’s right @SamUltraRam. There are some threads in the Football Forum about this. Although Rams & Midland “merged” it was more the case that Midland were absorbed by Derby County. Midland were run by Derby Midland Railway and once professionalism was made legal by the FA in 1885, the Railway didn’t want to be distracted by the ramifications of paid footballers. Note that The English Game is not entirely factual - Darwen didn’t play St Luke’s in the Cup but they did play Derby Junction and actually Junction lost after the first tie finished 2-2. 

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And heres the match report, though no mention of the team strips:

The Athletic News, 3rd April, 1888

THE TWO "COVNTIIES" AGAIN. ONCE more Derby County proved themselves the superiors of Notts County on Saturday. I know it is no great feat to beat the Notts club nowadays, but they sent quite a strong combination to Derby, as will he perceived when I mention the names, viz.. Holland, Cursham , Morley*, Brown, Emmett, Warburton, Gunn, Wardle, Jackson, Harker, and H. B. Daft. Derby were also well represented, the only absentee being Lawrence, whose place was taken by Storer, the Butteries youth, who has occasionally played in the Derhys'hire cricket. eleven. The game at first was tolerably even, and then the wind got up. which gave Derby a considerable advantage. They pressed the Notts. defence a good deal, and though the goal was kept clear for a while, Williamson eventually put in a long shot, and the ball, bouncing up to the goal, Holland, who had plenty of time to deal with it. foolishly tried to punch —a mistake often made— the result being that the ball, having a bit of a twist on, escaped his hand and bounced through. Five minutes before change of ends, Plackett centred to Goodall, who headed a second point . After the cross over, the wind had dropped, and Derby found no great difficulty in keeping the game almost entirely in Notts quarters. Their play in front of goal was, however, indifferent—they did not seem to try much—and it was not till near the end that Bakewell muddling, Needham rushed up and made the game three to none, at which it remained to the end. Notts showed some combination in the first half, but in the second their play was very ragged, Gunn being quite useless. Morley was the hest man in their team. For the winners there was no very conspicuous ability shown, but the team played a good all-round game, and Storer gave a very creditable initial exhibition. 

* of course, this was Haydn Morley, son of William Morley, Founder of Derby County and Derby County's first ever signing. 

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11 hours ago, Ellafella said:

That’s right @SamUltraRam. There are some threads in the Football Forum about this. Although Rams & Midland “merged” it was more the case that Midland were absorbed by Derby County. Midland were run by Derby Midland Railway and once professionalism was made legal by the FA in 1885, the Railway didn’t want to be distracted by the ramifications of paid footballers. Note that The English Game is not entirely factual - Darwen didn’t play St Luke’s in the Cup but they did play Derby Junction and actually Junction lost after the first tie finished 2-2. 

Fergus Suter never won an FA Cup despite being in 4 finals ?

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40 minutes ago, YorkshireRam said:

Fergus Suter never won an FA Cup despite being in 4 finals ?

He appeared in four FA Cup finals and after Blackburn were runners-up to Old Etonians in 1882, he collected three winner's medals in 1884, 1885 and 1886.
 

From Wikipedia.

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22 minutes ago, richinspain said:

He appeared in four FA Cup finals and after Blackburn were runners-up to Old Etonians in 1882, he collected three winner's medals in 1884, 1885 and 1886.
 

From Wikipedia.

They kinda hatched the history to dramatise the series. Blackburn Olympia won it as the first working-class team in 1883, a year after Suter had moved to their rivals Blackburn Rovers and they'd lost to Old Etonians in the final.

But yeah he won it 3 times afterwards, that wikipedia article has been edited since I last read it as it implied he hadn't ? They could have set themselves up perfectly for a second series if they'd lost in '82, watched their local rivals win in '83 and the gone on to finally win it in '84...and it'd be accurate!

 

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10 hours ago, Ellafella said:

And heres the match report, though no mention of the team strips:

The Athletic News, 3rd April, 1888

THE TWO "COVNTIIES" AGAIN. ONCE more Derby County proved themselves the superiors of Notts County on Saturday. I know it is no great feat to beat the Notts club nowadays, but they sent quite a strong combination to Derby, as will he perceived when I mention the names, viz.. Holland, Cursham , Morley*, Brown, Emmett, Warburton, Gunn, Wardle, Jackson, Harker, and H. B. Daft. Derby were also well represented, the only absentee being Lawrence, whose place was taken by Storer, the Butteries youth, who has occasionally played in the Derhys'hire cricket. eleven. The game at first was tolerably even, and then the wind got up. which gave Derby a considerable advantage. They pressed the Notts. defence a good deal, and though the goal was kept clear for a while, Williamson eventually put in a long shot, and the ball, bouncing up to the goal, Holland, who had plenty of time to deal with it. foolishly tried to punch —a mistake often made— the result being that the ball, having a bit of a twist on, escaped his hand and bounced through. Five minutes before change of ends, Plackett centred to Goodall, who headed a second point . After the cross over, the wind had dropped, and Derby found no great difficulty in keeping the game almost entirely in Notts quarters. Their play in front of goal was, however, indifferent—they did not seem to try much—and it was not till near the end that Bakewell muddling, Needham rushed up and made the game three to none, at which it remained to the end. Notts showed some combination in the first half, but in the second their play was very ragged, Gunn being quite useless. Morley was the hest man in their team. For the winners there was no very conspicuous ability shown, but the team played a good all-round game, and Storer gave a very creditable initial exhibition. 

* of course, this was Haydn Morley, son of William Morley, Founder of Derby County and Derby County's first ever signing. 

I see Lawrence didn't start. 

...I can't help wondering what year did the Joiners Arms opened!  ?

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On 31/03/2020 at 00:31, Ellafella said:

Derby County wore white shirts for the very first time, beating Notts County 3-0 at home. 31 March 1888. 

No mention of blue shorts and red numbers which have always been the best and most distinctive Derby kit combination.

*Hides before the inevitable flack comes in, but it's true.

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1 hour ago, Carl Sagan said:

No mention of blue shorts and red numbers which have always been the best and most distinctive Derby kit combination.

*Hides before the inevitable flack comes in, but it's true.

I prefer the original one. This new colour is too boring.

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