Ellafella Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 38 minutes ago, Mucker1884 said: According to @Mostyn6, it was Derby St Lukes that featured? (In the "The English game" thread). I have watched it, but can't remember myself. Just know it was "Derby something or other"! Yes; it may be that in The English Game but it was Derby Junction who played Darwen in the F A Cup and lost. I’ll check the programme but it should have been Junction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Ellafella said: Yes; it may be that in The English Game but it was Derby Junction who played Darwen in the F A Cup and lost. I’ll check the programme but it should have been Junction. Indeed, in the programme it was Derby St Luke's, but they never actually played Darwen in the FA Cup. But Derby Junction did play Darwen in 1885 and lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richinspain Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 They've taken quite a few liberties WARNING - SPOILER https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8142613/How-accurate-really-Netflixs-new-drama-English-Game.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsmini Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 It was definitely Derby St Lukes mentioned in 'The English Game' They even had them playing in black and white as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsmini Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 2 hours ago, David said: 'The English Game' is a program on Netflix basically about the FA Cup way back in the 1870's The Old Etonians were always expected to win it but then northern teams owned by mill owners started to get results. Most of the Old Etonians ran the FA at the time and basically made the rules. Suddenly the mill owners were bringing in highly rated Scottish players and paying them to play. It was strictly an amature game in the late 1800's It's a bit of a tough watch to be fair as it's more about the people than football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 3 hours ago, rsmini said: It was definitely Derby St Lukes mentioned in 'The English Game' They even had them playing in black and white as well More poetic license. The attached photo from 1883/4 shows them playing in quarters; most sides at the time played in those panelled shirts; single colours and light colours only became popular 20 or so years later. The exception being Snotts Florist and their biscuit red shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Im sure I’ve got a match worn St Luke’s jersey knocking about in a bin liner somewhere? Not signed either, thank god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StockholmRam Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 On 29 Mar 2020 at 16:23, Ellafella said: I suspect that @Inverurie Ram has been watching "The English Game" on Netflix {which is an ironic title given that two of the foremost characters are Scottish}. It's an excellent "history" {some of the facts are actually incorrect for poetic license} of the development of the game of football, {although it's tied in with politics and of course some love-interest back stories}. Derby Junction featured this week "beating" Darwen 3-0 {actually Derby Junction lost 4-0 after the first game tied 2-2. Derby Junction eventually folded, in no small way due to the rise of the Rams as "THE" team in Derby. My thought too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImARam2 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Towards the end it shows a picture of Shrovetide football in Ashbourne, in which one of the Old Etonians mention that someone got drowned in the river in a barbaric game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 35 minutes ago, ImARam2 said: Towards the end it shows a picture of Shrovetide football in Ashbourne, in which one of the Old Etonians mention that someone got drowned in the river in a barbaric game. Cave dwelling barbarians from Ashbourne mate. Just ask @StockholmRam if you don't believe me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 3 hours ago, ImARam2 said: Towards the end it shows a picture of Shrovetide football in Ashbourne, in which one of the Old Etonians mention that someone got drowned in the river in a barbaric game. That is correct. It also happened in the Derby Shrovetide game before the Derby game was prohibited by law in 1848* (from memory). That is the derivation of the term "Local Derby" - it means a particularly heated and injurious encounter usually between 2 sides from the same City. The term local Derby unsurprisingly came from our City - yet there are lots of other hogwash stories about its derivation. * actually 1846 when it was quelled by the Mayor aided by an Army troop from ....you've guessed it . . .Snottingham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 16 minutes ago, Ellafella said: That is correct. It also happened in the Derby Shrovetide game before the Derby game was prohibited by law in 1848* (from memory). That is the derivation of the term "Local Derby" - it means a particularly heated and injurious encounter usually between 2 sides from the same City. The term local Derby unsurprisingly came from our City - yet there are lots of other hogwash stories about its derivation. * actually 1846 when it was quelled by the Mayor aided by an Army troop from ....you've guessed it . . .Snottingham. actually 1846 when it was quelled by the Mayor aided by an Army troop from ....you've guessed it . . .Snottingham. For a brilliant and detailed account of how football was suppressed in Derby, read "Beastly Fury" by Richard Sanders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StockholmRam Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 20 hours ago, uttoxram75 said: Cave dwelling barbarians from Ashbourne mate. Just ask @StockholmRam if you don't believe me. Cant deny it mate. Best game ever though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB SPORTS Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 On 25/03/2020 at 13:05, Anon said: When posting in the forum Your vagueness lacks decorum I'd beg for exegesis But begging's not my business He'll write no explanation Although I always tell him And so it's my assumption I'm really up the junction Squeeze Thief ☺️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We'll be back in 81 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 On 29/03/2020 at 15:23, Ellafella said: I suspect that @Inverurie Ram has been watching "The English Game" on Netflix {which is an ironic title given that two of the foremost characters are Scottish}. It's an excellent "history" {some of the facts are actually incorrect for poetic license} of the development of the game of football, {although it's tied in with politics and of course some love-interest back stories}. Derby Junction featured this week "beating" Darwen 3-0 {actually Derby Junction lost 4-0 after the first game tied 2-2. Derby Junction eventually folded, in no small way due to the rise of the Rams as "THE" team in Derby. For the historians out there, do you know if Fergus Suter of Blackburn Rovers played in the FA Cup quarter final against Derby Junction at the Arboretum in 1888? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 22 minutes ago, hiltonram said: For the historians out there, do you know if Fergus Suter of Blackburn Rovers played in the FA Cup quarter final against Derby Junction at the Arboretum in 1888? I’ll search & see & let you know @Hilton Ram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 5 hours ago, hiltonram said: For the historians out there, do you know if Fergus Suter of Blackburn Rovers played in the FA Cup quarter final against Derby Junction at the Arboretum in 1888? Indeed, he did play. See the following: The Lichfield Mercury, February 3rd, 1888 Blackburn Rovers ». Junction Street, Derby.— This tie was played Derby, on Saturday, before 7,000 spectators. The home team had gone in for thorough preparation for the contest spending last week at the Derbyshire watering-place, Matlock*. Prior to the kick off odds of 10 to 3 were offered on the Rovers, with but few takers. The ground was hard dangerous when, at half past two the Junction Street, who had lost the toss, kicked off downhill. The Blackburn forwards, by some pretty concerted play, were quickly at the top goal, a light breeze assisting them. The backs, however, relieved an opportune moment, which gave the home left chance; hut ere they could get away the ball was wrested from them. A run up the slope by the Rovers gave them corner, which proved fruitless : whilst a few minutes later shot of Snuthworth’s was well stopped by Bromage, whose throw gave his halves a chance to feed the forwards. Smith and Peach went down the field, and were becoming dangerous when Suter intervened By a ponderous return, which again gave his men clear ran. This they did cleverly, but their final waa rendered abortive by the defensive tactics of the Derby men. A run and shot by Bromage, which went wide of the posts, was applauded, and another stampede to the opposite end gave Southworth an opening, which he availed himself of by scoring the first point. This put new life into the Rovers, who attacked fiercely, but could not get beyond a certain point. Smith and Bromage (forwards) hampered the halves, and the former ran the ball out, whilst Radford caused Suter to concede a corner, and Junction, for a wonder, began to press. After Arthur bad stopped hot one of Hopkins's, the sphere was returned in front, and S. Smith had no difficulty in breasting it through, making the game one all. Up to the cross over the Rovers had the best of matters, but the game remained unaltered. Just on the point of time the Rovers bad unproductive corner, which was the last item of note; and the whistle blew with the Rovers beaten by 2 goals to 1. Although the Rovers played the best game and had hard lines, there is every credit due to the Junction Street for their indomitable pluck and perseverance, which has brought them victory. Derby Junction ; E. Bromage, goal; 6. Putts, (captain) and T. Hind, backs; R. Smith, I. SidJuns, and J. Walker, halfbacks S. Smith and J. Bromage, (right-wing); A. Peach and W. Hopkins, (left-wing), and J. Radford, (centre) forwards. Blackburn Rovers: Arthur, goal; Suter and Beverley, backs; Forrest. Barton, and Heyes, half-backs; Townley and Chadwick,(left-wing), Douglas and Ruahton (right-wing), and Southworth (centre), forwards.. Referee: Mr. W. H. Jope, Wednesbury. Blackburn coriespondenttelegraphsthat the news of the defeat of the Rovers Derby Junction created consternation among the crowds awaiting the result in, Blackburn and was not credited at first. On finding it only too true, the Blackburn people were disgusted, but they derived souse little satisfaction when the information arrived that the Rovers bad protested against the match being held valid, on the ground that the field of play was in such a state as not to admit of a fair contest. * A subsequent protest was launched by Rovers on the grounds that, as Junction's trip to Matlock had been resourced by public sponsorship {ie a modern "crowd fund"}, they were effectively "professionals" yet were registered as Amateurs. This was not upheld by the FA. and so Junction recorded one of the biggest Cup shocks of all time. Of course, Enos Bromage played for Junction in goal and a few short weeks later was transferred to Derby County! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We'll be back in 81 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 29 minutes ago, Ellafella said: Indeed, he did play. See the following: The Lichfield Mercury, February 3rd, 1888 Blackburn Rovers ». Junction Street, Derby.— This tie was played Derby, on Saturday, before 7,000 spectators. The home team had gone in for thorough preparation for the contest spending last week at the Derbyshire watering-place, Matlock*. Prior to the kick off odds of 10 to 3 were offered on the Rovers, with but few takers. The ground was hard dangerous when, at half past two the Junction Street, who had lost the toss, kicked off downhill. The Blackburn forwards, by some pretty concerted play, were quickly at the top goal, a light breeze assisting them. The backs, however, relieved an opportune moment, which gave the home left chance; hut ere they could get away the ball was wrested from them. A run up the slope by the Rovers gave them corner, which proved fruitless : whilst a few minutes later shot of Snuthworth’s was well stopped by Bromage, whose throw gave his halves a chance to feed the forwards. Smith and Peach went down the field, and were becoming dangerous when Suter intervened By a ponderous return, which again gave his men clear ran. This they did cleverly, but their final waa rendered abortive by the defensive tactics of the Derby men. A run and shot by Bromage, which went wide of the posts, was applauded, and another stampede to the opposite end gave Southworth an opening, which he availed himself of by scoring the first point. This put new life into the Rovers, who attacked fiercely, but could not get beyond a certain point. Smith and Bromage (forwards) hampered the halves, and the former ran the ball out, whilst Radford caused Suter to concede a corner, and Junction, for a wonder, began to press. After Arthur bad stopped hot one of Hopkins's, the sphere was returned in front, and S. Smith had no difficulty in breasting it through, making the game one all. Up to the cross over the Rovers had the best of matters, but the game remained unaltered. Just on the point of time the Rovers bad unproductive corner, which was the last item of note; and the whistle blew with the Rovers beaten by 2 goals to 1. Although the Rovers played the best game and had hard lines, there is every credit due to the Junction Street for their indomitable pluck and perseverance, which has brought them victory. Derby Junction ; E. Bromage, goal; 6. Putts, (captain) and T. Hind, backs; R. Smith, I. SidJuns, and J. Walker, halfbacks S. Smith and J. Bromage, (right-wing); A. Peach and W. Hopkins, (left-wing), and J. Radford, (centre) forwards. Blackburn Rovers: Arthur, goal; Suter and Beverley, backs; Forrest. Barton, and Heyes, half-backs; Townley and Chadwick,(left-wing), Douglas and Ruahton (right-wing), and Southworth (centre), forwards.. Referee: Mr. W. H. Jope, Wednesbury. Blackburn coriespondenttelegraphsthat the news of the defeat of the Rovers Derby Junction created consternation among the crowds awaiting the result in, Blackburn and was not credited at first. On finding it only too true, the Blackburn people were disgusted, but they derived souse little satisfaction when the information arrived that the Rovers bad protested against the match being held valid, on the ground that the field of play was in such a state as not to admit of a fair contest. * A subsequent protest was launched by Rovers on the grounds that, as Junction's trip to Matlock had been resourced by public sponsorship {ie a modern "crowd fund"}, they were effectively "professionals" yet were registered as Amateurs. This was not upheld by the FA. and so Junction recorded one of the biggest Cup shocks of all time. Of course, Enos Bromage played for Junction in goal and a few short weeks later was transferred to Derby County! Great work Ellafella. I did enjoy the English game and interesting how the county ground in Derby was used for a few semi finals and one final replay. In fact it was the first place outside of London to have an FA cup final. Also a nod to the Ashbourne shrovetide game which was mentioned in one episode which derived from the same type of game played in Derby before that which the public schools then put some more structured rules to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 4 hours ago, Ellafella said: Indeed, he did play. See the following: The Lichfield Mercury, February 3rd, 1888 Blackburn Rovers ». Junction Street, Derby.— This tie was played Derby, on Saturday, before 7,000 spectators. The home team had gone in for thorough preparation for the contest spending last week at the Derbyshire watering-place, Matlock*. Prior to the kick off odds of 10 to 3 were offered on the Rovers, with but few takers. The ground was hard dangerous when, at half past two the Junction Street, who had lost the toss, kicked off downhill. The Blackburn forwards, by some pretty concerted play, were quickly at the top goal, a light breeze assisting them. The backs, however, relieved an opportune moment, which gave the home left chance; hut ere they could get away the ball was wrested from them. A run up the slope by the Rovers gave them corner, which proved fruitless : whilst a few minutes later shot of Snuthworth’s was well stopped by Bromage, whose throw gave his halves a chance to feed the forwards. Smith and Peach went down the field, and were becoming dangerous when Suter intervened By a ponderous return, which again gave his men clear ran. This they did cleverly, but their final waa rendered abortive by the defensive tactics of the Derby men. A run and shot by Bromage, which went wide of the posts, was applauded, and another stampede to the opposite end gave Southworth an opening, which he availed himself of by scoring the first point. This put new life into the Rovers, who attacked fiercely, but could not get beyond a certain point. Smith and Bromage (forwards) hampered the halves, and the former ran the ball out, whilst Radford caused Suter to concede a corner, and Junction, for a wonder, began to press. After Arthur bad stopped hot one of Hopkins's, the sphere was returned in front, and S. Smith had no difficulty in breasting it through, making the game one all. Up to the cross over the Rovers had the best of matters, but the game remained unaltered. Just on the point of time the Rovers bad unproductive corner, which was the last item of note; and the whistle blew with the Rovers beaten by 2 goals to 1. Although the Rovers played the best game and had hard lines, there is every credit due to the Junction Street for their indomitable pluck and perseverance, which has brought them victory. Derby Junction ; E. Bromage, goal; 6. Putts, (captain) and T. Hind, backs; R. Smith, I. SidJuns, and J. Walker, halfbacks S. Smith and J. Bromage, (right-wing); A. Peach and W. Hopkins, (left-wing), and J. Radford, (centre) forwards. Blackburn Rovers: Arthur, goal; Suter and Beverley, backs; Forrest. Barton, and Heyes, half-backs; Townley and Chadwick,(left-wing), Douglas and Ruahton (right-wing), and Southworth (centre), forwards.. Referee: Mr. W. H. Jope, Wednesbury. Blackburn coriespondenttelegraphsthat the news of the defeat of the Rovers Derby Junction created consternation among the crowds awaiting the result in, Blackburn and was not credited at first. On finding it only too true, the Blackburn people were disgusted, but they derived souse little satisfaction when the information arrived that the Rovers bad protested against the match being held valid, on the ground that the field of play was in such a state as not to admit of a fair contest. * A subsequent protest was launched by Rovers on the grounds that, as Junction's trip to Matlock had been resourced by public sponsorship {ie a modern "crowd fund"}, they were effectively "professionals" yet were registered as Amateurs. This was not upheld by the FA. and so Junction recorded one of the biggest Cup shocks of all time. Of course, Enos Bromage played for Junction in goal and a few short weeks later was transferred to Derby County! Love it mate, brilliant stuff. As you get older the history of Derby and the Rams seem more important than ever. Always been a bit mardy the Blackburn lot....?, especially Speedie the little Bamford.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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