FindernRam Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Think of the NHS as a giant funnel In normal times everyone goes in at the top and goes through a series of filters depending on how serious your issue is, most people will be filtered out (cured) early. Those unfortunate to be serious drop deeper into the system. Through wards for Operations, long term stuff, finally Intensive Care and End of life. Normally capacity pretty much matches demand as people come through. Today the system is clogging up like a blocked drain, Intensive care is full, so you can't do anything that might risk needing Intensive care, Wards are filling up with respiratory patients, so even minor Ops are on hold. This means places like MRI, Xray pre-op are possibly more lightly loaded than normal, referrals are down. People are scared to go to Hospital so even at the top level I can well see some areas being lighter than normal. You need to unpludg the flow! BUT you cannot redeploy a "basic" nurse (no insult intended) into an Intensive Care area just like that. If you see all this as some kind of con I really feel sorry for you and hope you stay well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Not sure if we've any teachers on the forum, let alone this thread but thought this might appeal anyway. https://www.facebook.com/100006314344352/videos/2856022814618169 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 3 hours ago, BIllyD said: Why not ? Im interested, if you are happy using these as anecdotal evidence of the NHS not being as busy or stories not being factually correct, why not say which hospital it is. Well I have a friend that works in Royal Stoke University Hospital who said no busier than normal years. A friend who works in Royal Devon and Exeter hospital who said the same. Have a friend and family member who work at The Royal Derby Hospital who have both said they have been under a lot of pressure in recent weeks. Not sure what exactly you will take away from me disclosing that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 3 hours ago, Norman said: Because the experts told us we didn't need to as it wouldn't make any difference. Quote after quote after quote available on that. Sorry but they are only experts when they agree with the official narrative. Im afraid at the time they made the quotes, that you have kindly provided, they were going through their fringe and extreme right wing phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 1 hour ago, FindernRam said: You need to unpludg the flow! BUT you cannot redeploy a "basic" nurse (no insult intended) into an Intensive Care area just like that. One of my old college friends is now an NHS community physio (specialising in the elderly) in Lincolnshire. She says the hospitals are now just discharging dying covid patients back into the community to free up bed space for people that they actually stand a chance of saving. So, as a physio she is being diverted to doing palliative care for patients dying at home. It's a nightmare situation, really horrible but what choice do they have? Yet some people still prefer to believe misinformation about the hospitals being empty as some sort of conspiracy. They clearly haven't been directly affected by it, and I hope for their sake it stays that way, but it might give them a much needed wake-up call if it does Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 46 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Sorry but they are only experts when they agree with the official narrative. Im afraid at the time they made the quotes, that you have kindly provided, they were going through their fringe and extreme right wing phase. Even experts have been known to change their minds, especially when confronted with evidence. You, on the other hand.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 56 minutes ago, Stive Pesley said: One of my old college friends is now an NHS community physio (specialising in the elderly) in Lincolnshire. She says the hospitals are now just discharging dying covid patients back into the community to free up bed space for people that they actually stand a chance of saving. So, as a physio she is being diverted to doing palliative care for patients dying at home. It's a nightmare situation, really horrible but what choice do they have? Yet some people still prefer to believe misinformation about the hospitals being empty as some sort of conspiracy. They clearly haven't been directly affected by it, and I hope for their sake it stays that way, but it might give them a much needed wake-up call if it does You really believe the hospitals are being forced to discharge DYING COVID patients into the community to die at home and your the only person that’s heard of it through a friend ???? , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 9 minutes ago, Eddie said: Even experts have been known to change their minds, especially when confronted with evidence. You, on the other hand.... Yep, changed my mind on quite a few things during this pandemic, documented them on here and held my hands up and admitted I was wrong. As far as I can see, you're much more rooted in your view of 'I can't go out, so I think the rest of the country should also be locked up' even when presented with evidence of what it has done to the economy, is doing to peoples mental health and will do to our childrens future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 1 hour ago, 86 Hair Islands said: Not sure if we've any teachers on the forum, let alone this thread but thought this might appeal anyway. https://www.facebook.com/100006314344352/videos/2856022814618169 ? The wife is a teacher and that made us laugh. She has been doing lots of YouTube stuff and now thinks she might get a BAFTA or something.. Gone to her bleedin head it all has. Proper lovie now.. grrrr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIllyD Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 37 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Well I have a friend that works in Royal Stoke University Hospital who said no busier than normal years. A friend who works in Royal Devon and Exeter hospital who said the same. Have a friend and family member who work at The Royal Derby Hospital who have both said they have been under a lot of pressure in recent weeks. Not sure what exactly you will take away from me disclosing that though. All I'm hearing from people that work in the NHS is how busy the ICU units are, how they are running out of beds and staff qualified to treat the patients. This is across the country, based on both people I speak to (mainly their other halves to be factually correct) or social media. I then see a post that states something similar and not for the first time you counter that with the people you have spoken to, are no busier than normal. Now that could be because they are admin, work in a ward that is always busy or some other reason. It could also be because they reside in an area that has a lower rate of infection or something else. Therefore the reason I asked was to understand a bit more about another of your anecdotal bits of information and how / why that differs from everything else that I'm hearing. I was also wondering where this utopia of a world where you live in with COVID free pubs and hospitals that are no busier than normal to see if there are any houses up for sale if these restrictions go on any longer ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, BIllyD said: All I'm hearing from people that work in the NHS is how busy the ICU units are, how they are running out of beds and staff qualified to treat the patients. This is across the country, based on both people I speak to (mainly their other halves to be factually correct) or social media. I then see a post that states something similar and not for the first time you counter that with the people you have spoken to, are no busier than normal. Now that could be because they are admin, work in a ward that is always busy or some other reason. It could also be because they reside in an area that has a lower rate of infection or something else. Therefore the reason I asked was to understand a bit more about another of your anecdotal bits of information and how / why that differs from everything else that I'm hearing. I was also wondering where this utopia of a world where you live in with COVID free pubs and hospitals that are no busier than normal to see if there are any houses up for sale if these restrictions go on any longer ? I kind of stopped reading when I realised you get your information from social media but I will still be courteous enough reply. I do wonder why anyone would rely on social media for figures that are published by the NHS and are available in the public domain? Ive never contested that hospitals are busy, they usually are in the winter. I've never mentioned Covid free pubs and putting words into people's mouths to make your argument look better isnt a great look. Ive asked for pubs (and other hospitality venues) to be treated in a manner appropriate to the risk they provide and in line with other businesses, in my opinion they arent and are being unfairly singled out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIllyD Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: I kind of stopped reading when I realised you get your information from social media but I will still be courteous enough reply. I do wonder why anyone would rely on social media for figures that are published by the NHS and are available in the public domain? Ive never contested that hospitals are busy, they usually are in the winter. I've never mentioned Covid free pubs and putting words into people's mouths to make your argument look better isnt a great look. Ive asked for pubs (and other hospitality venues) to be treated in a manner appropriate to the risk they provide and in line with other businesses, in my opinion they arent and are being unfairly singled out. Facebook, Twitter etc... is social media, hence friends on their, who work in the NHS, not sure why this is any less reliable than your supposed friends that work for the NHS ? Once again though you do deflect for the point I was asking. As I said, if your "friends" work in admin, they probably won't be any busier, if it's the ICU wards, then I'm not doubting it, but would seem different to the rest of the country but you seem reluctant to share that info so that can be discussed / reviewed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIllyD Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 On 17/01/2021 at 17:02, G STAR RAM said: Every pub that I went in was too. Perhaps we just didnt go in at the times when everyone was breaking the rules and spreading the virus. Apologies, you didn't state that you had found a COVID free pub, my mistake, just ones that had stopped the spreading of the virus... My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, BIllyD said: Facebook, Twitter etc... is social media, hence friends on their, who work in the NHS, not sure why this is any less reliable than your supposed friends that work for the NHS ? Once again though you do deflect for the point I was asking. As I said, if your "friends" work in admin, they probably won't be any busier, if it's the ICU wards, then I'm not doubting it, but would seem different to the rest of the country but you seem reluctant to share that info so that can be discussed / reviewed. The rest of the country? So you have friends in every hospital in every county? You're a popular guy. Of course if that is the case all of the info will be out there for you to put me in my place. I look forward to you showing me that hospital be occupancy is through the roof and completely out of sync with normal years. Should be easy with nearly 40,000 Covid patients in hospitals and with so many NHS staff off ill. I'll assume you're now concentrating on my hospital point because you was unable to find any information supporting your view that hospitality venues were playing a big part in the spread of the virus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Just now, BIllyD said: Apologies, you didn't state that you had found a COVID free pub, my mistake, just ones that had stopped the spreading of the virus... My bad. Nope, I didnt say that either. I said the stats released, seemed to indicate that the percentage of cases arising from hospitality venues was in the region of 5%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIllyD Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: The rest of the country? So you have friends in every hospital in every county? You're a popular guy. Of course if that is the case all of the info will be out there for you to put me in my place. I look forward to you showing me that hospital be occupancy is through the roof and completely out of sync with normal years. Should be easy with nearly 40,000 Covid patients in hospitals and with so many NHS staff off ill. I'll assume you're now concentrating on my hospital point because you was unable to find any information supporting your view that hospitality venues were playing a big part in the spread of the virus? I gave you some quotes about the hospitality venues, sorry maybe I missed what you were trying to say on that ? I don't remember agreeing or disagreeing with any figures you put, only that based on the things I quoted yesterday, why I would close them ?? I could also add, I have several mates who i spoke to.... Yes I have friends, well mostly work colleagues if you want to get technical from all over the country, I work for a company where my team is spread over lots of different locations and I'm very lucky to be able to work from Derby due to new technology. Hopefully that clears that up, but any other questions on that feel free to ask. As for your hospital numbers, sorry not sure what it is you want, occupancy as I'm sure you are aware isnt the main problem, it's the beds and staff availability of people dealing with COVID patients. As I said in my earlier post, being as busy as you were last year also isn't an indication if you work in a department that isn't impacted. Im quite happy to look for the figures when I have time if you make it clear what you want ? I doubt it will be easy though as I'm sure you agree that the impact of NHS staff having COVID for example will be a factor for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIllyD Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 16 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Nope, I didnt say that either. I said the stats released, seemed to indicate that the percentage of cases arising from hospitality venues was in the region of 5%. You said that the pubs you had gone in "wasn't when everyone was breaking the rules and spreading the virus." What did you mean then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Just now, BIllyD said: You said that the pubs you had gone in "wasn't when everyone was breaking the rules and spreading the virus." What did you mean then ? Quotation marks, so I am guessing that is a direct quote by me, can you point of the original quote so I can check the context of what I said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIllyD Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Quotation marks, so I am guessing that is a direct quote by me, can you point of the original quote so I can check the context of what I said? I put it above, sorry the quote "wasn't" was a paraphrase which I was in the process of editing before you replied. ignore the above. I thought I had quoted you but I hadn't. let me find it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIllyD Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 On 17/01/2021 at 17:02, G STAR RAM said: Every pub that I went in was too. Perhaps we just didnt go in at the times when everyone was breaking the rules and spreading the virus. Once again apologies I though I had quoted this earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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