sage Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, Eddie said: Just 10 months too late... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55681861 Who would have thought Boris would have been slow to control our borders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-55683035 Guess its easier to return to normality when you leave your inhabitants standed abroad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 58 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55666399 Looking a good idea that we didn't join the EU vaccination programme that a few on here were not only advocating but slating the Government for not signing up to. Not seen many of the culprits admitting they were wrong either unsurprisingly. The company said its production upgrades would also have a "short-term impact" on the delivery of vaccines to the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, angieram said: The company said its production upgrades would also have a "short-term impact" on the delivery of vaccines to the UK. Luckily we dont have all of our eggs in one basket when it comes to the vaccine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olton Ram Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, angieram said: The company said its production upgrades would also have a "short-term impact" on the delivery of vaccines to the UK. This. It's even quoted in the original link. It's an issue with Pfizer's production facility having an upgrade, which will temporarily slow delivery of the vaccine. It could impact the UK as well as other European countries, and has absolutely nothing to do with the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 36 minutes ago, Olton Ram said: This. It's even quoted in the original link. It's an issue with Pfizer's production facility having an upgrade, which will temporarily slow delivery of the vaccine. It could impact the UK as well as other European countries, and has absolutely nothing to do with the EU. Some may say it highlights the issues of one body trying to co-ordinate the efforts of 27 countries. I was reliably informed on here that it was an awful decision not to sign up to their programme, so I am assuming this news is going to be terrible for our vaccination rollout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 This article about what is happening on the Isle of Wight is tragic. Conflicting emotions of anger/sadness/embarrassment. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/16/isle-of-wight-covid-catastrophe-island-hospital-tier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olton Ram Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Some may say it highlights the issues of one body trying to co-ordinate the efforts of 27 countries. I was reliably informed on here that it was an awful decision not to sign up to their programme, so I am assuming this news is going to be terrible for our vaccination rollout. It would impact everyone equally, as the supply is being slowed due to upgrades at the factory, regardless of whichever vaccine program their customers are taking part in. It won't be "terrible" for the UK's rollout, just as it won't be for other European countries. It will just mean a temporary delay until the upgraded production facility is ready, at which point they will be able to supply the vaccine at a greater rate to all their customers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said: This article about what is happening on the Isle of Wight is tragic. Conflicting emotions of anger/sadness/embarrassment. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/16/isle-of-wight-covid-catastrophe-island-hospital-tier Absolute dog poo article. Yeah lets blame everything on alcohol. Young men drinking spreading the virus everywhere. Thousands on ferries to the Isle of Wight, hundreds of bus loads of drinkers letting the virus ravage the island. Oh and by the way lots of people from the mainland travelled home to see their families for Xmas. But even then it was probably so they could all get pissed and spread the virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, Olton Ram said: It would impact everyone equally, as the supply is being slowed due to upgrades at the factory, regardless of whichever vaccine program their customers are taking part in. It won't be "terrible" for the UK's rollout, just as it won't be for other European countries. It will just mean a temporary delay until the upgraded production facility is ready, at which point they will be able to supply the vaccine at a greater rate to all their customers. Obviously it wont impact countries that have hedged their bets with regards to the vaccine. https://www.itv.com/news/2021-01-14/why-has-europe-been-so-slow-at-rolling-out-the-covid-vaccine I can only begin to imagine the vitriol if our vaccine rollout mirrored that of the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 On 15/01/2021 at 07:53, 86 Hair Islands said: Hmmm. Might there be another reason for the 'exodus' from London old chap? I mean you do know that over 1M EU nationals were working in London, right? Coincidence much? ? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/15/uk-twin-pandemic-and-brexit-crises-prompt-unprecedented-exodus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 41 minutes ago, GboroRam said: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/15/uk-twin-pandemic-and-brexit-crises-prompt-unprecedented-exodus A number of people that Al Jazeera spoke to cited the departure from the EU? How many people did Al Jazeera speak to? I can only see quotes from 2 people. So is that the only 2 out of 700,000 that they could find? May be a bit more helpful if they told us what percentage of people that they had spoken to had cited this as the reason. Maybe some stats on what percentage of the people that have left are from sectors decimated by the lockdowns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 2 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: Absolute dog poo article. Yeah lets blame everything on alcohol. Young men drinking spreading the virus everywhere. Thousands on ferries to the Isle of Wight, hundreds of bus loads of drinkers letting the virus ravage the island. Oh and by the way lots of people from the mainland travelled home to see their families for Xmas. But even then it was probably so they could all get pissed and spread the virus. My take on the article was all people travelling to the Tier 1 Isle of Wight were totally irresponsible. Likewise, I can't believe there was not more enforcement to stop people travelling to a place that would always be vulnerable to Covid due to the age profile of people who live live there. As a result, lots more people are going to die than would have done. This situation makes me embarrassed and angry. Your main takeaway is worrying about how young men might be mis-represented. It doesn't mention men anywhere. I'm pretty sure women and couples go out drinking too. The article was written by someone from Vice, who would probably more sympathetic to younger people usually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 31 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said: My take on the article was all people travelling to the Tier 1 Isle of Wight were totally irresponsible. Likewise, I can't believe there was not more enforcement to stop people travelling to a place that would always be vulnerable to Covid due to the age profile of people who live live there. As a result, lots more people are going to die than would have done. This situation makes me embarrassed and angry. Your main takeaway is worrying about how young men might be mis-represented. It doesn't mention men anywhere. I'm pretty sure women and couples go out drinking too. The article was written by someone from Vice, who would probably more sympathetic to younger people usually. I dont see one single jot of evidence in the article that people were behaving irresponsibly. Is it not possible for people to go for a drink without acting irresponsibly? I went in pubs before lockdown where social distancing was being observed impeccably, never seen that being mentioned anywhere though. All I see in the article is hyperbole of people 'swarming' over the sea and 'piling' into hotels. As I say dog poo reporting aimed at people that are quick to jump on such articles and use them against people that they look down on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 26 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: I dont see one single jot of evidence in the article that people were behaving irresponsibly. Is it not possible for people to go for a drink without acting irresponsibly? I went in pubs before lockdown where social distancing was being observed impeccably, never seen that being mentioned anywhere though. All I see in the article is hyperbole of people 'swarming' over the sea and 'piling' into hotels. As I say dog poo reporting aimed at people that are quick to jump on such articles and use them against people that they look down on. Not sure if you remember the rules in early Dec, but no one was supposed to travel into lower tiers. Are you saying that there is no evidence that lots of people travelled from higher zones on the mainland into the zone 1 Isle of Wight? In other words, the article is a lie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 36 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said: Not sure if you remember the rules in early Dec, but no one was supposed to travel into lower tiers. Are you saying that there is no evidence that lots of people travelled from higher zones on the mainland into the zone 1 Isle of Wight? In other words, the article is a lie? Incorrect, travel to other tiers was permitted as long as you continued to follow the rules from the tier that you had travelled from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIllyD Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 4 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: I dont see one single jot of evidence in the article that people were behaving irresponsibly. Is it not possible for people to go for a drink without acting irresponsibly? I went in pubs before lockdown where social distancing was being observed impeccably, never seen that being mentioned anywhere though. All I see in the article is hyperbole of people 'swarming' over the sea and 'piling' into hotels. As I say dog poo reporting aimed at people that are quick to jump on such articles and use them against people that they look down on. ? what pubs to you visit...remind me never to go there ? Whenever I have a beer or two, my common sense deteriorates, even more so with every additional one consumed. I went into several pubs before lock down, one in one out at the toilet, worked for a bit but was soon forgotten, everyone in their own table, until a few beers had been had, someone stopping off and having a chat. Table service only, until it was taking to much time to go around then back to the bar it was, wiping the tables down after a customer left, worked well until a customer came in and sat at the table before it could happen. The pubs you went to must be very lucky, because no matter what restrictions and systems you have, social distancing is only as good as the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 10 minutes ago, BIllyD said: ? what pubs to you visit...remind me never to go there ? Whenever I have a beer or two, my common sense deteriorates, even more so with every additional one consumed. I went into several pubs before lock down, one in one out at the toilet, worked for a bit but was soon forgotten, everyone in their own table, until a few beers had been had, someone stopping off and having a chat. Table service only, until it was taking to much time to go around then back to the bar it was, wiping the tables down after a customer left, worked well until a customer came in and sat at the table before it could happen. The pubs you went to must be very lucky, because no matter what restrictions and systems you have, social distancing is only as good as the people. Well I usually I tend to go in the pubs at dinner time at the weekend or on the way home from work during the week, maybe I miss what goes on when everyone has had too much to drink. The way pubs are set out though I don't see them being any more dangerous than supermarkets or workplaces. Maybe Im just naive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIllyD Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 1 minute ago, G STAR RAM said: Well I usually I tend to go in the pubs at dinner time at the weekend or on the way home from work during the week, maybe I miss what goes on when everyone has had too much to drink. The way pubs are set out though I don't see them being any more dangerous than supermarkets or workplaces. Maybe Im just naive. In theory i doubt it is, but going to work you are there to do a job. Going to the pub and the main aim, well for me anyway, is to socialise. Therefore you have 50 odd people, often in the space of a large house, communal toilets and after a few beers forgetting about what you are supposed and not supposed to do. I will caveat that, these are my local pubs, I know a lot of the people in there, so maybe it's different to pubs that don't have regulars as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 3 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: Incorrect, travel to other tiers was permitted as long as you continued to follow the rules from the tier that you had travelled from. Good point, I remember now. Still odd that people from the mainland, who were in at least tier 2, would bother travelling to Isle of Wight where they still wouldn't be able to socialise indoors with anyone else. I guess they must have just been mixing with locals outdoors in December whilst socially distancing in groups 6 or less? That must have been how the virus spread over the Isle of Wight right? We can't believe the article as there are no photographs of people breaking the rules verified by independent witnesses. Does that fit your narrative of a) the government have clearly communicated the rules of lockdown (even if you don't always support them) and they are easy to follow, hence need no proper enforcement is needed; and b) blaming people for breaking rules is just the media looking to pick on people? Apologies if this is not your opinion, but this is what I've taken from your posts over these Covid times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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