Stive Pesley Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 This christmas thing feels like more ineptitude by the government - why 5 days? could have been 24-26th and people would have accepted it. Strikes me. they are trying to win back some of the goodwill they've lost from their core vote by making such a massive hash of almost everything about this pandemic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Eddie said: We normally get together as a 4-household unit for Christmas Day, as follows: 1. The Memsahib and me 2. No 1 son, who lives alone and is an IT works from home specialist (i.e Billy no-mates, ventures out for shopping once a week, runs a few kilkometres in the evening) 3. No 2 daughter, who lives with her partner and our grandson 4. Alison and her daughter (who happens to be our step-granddaughter, and half-sister to our grandson). Groups 1 & 2 are a 'social bubble'. (met up once in 8 months). Groups 3 & 4 are another 'social bubble' (meet up daily). I'm really unsure how this will play out, but I don't see anyone being forcibly excluded. Get on with it and have a good time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 12 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: This christmas thing feels like more ineptitude by the government - why 5 days? could have been 24-26th and people would have accepted it. Strikes me. they are trying to win back some of the goodwill they've lost from their core vote by making such a massive hash of almost everything about this pandemic Or if you work over Christmas it gives you more of a chance of seeing someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Albert said: They are literal disinformation videos. They are videos, filled with false, misleading and otherwise incorrect claims. What should be alarming is people publishing and posting that kind of thing so readily. The only line crossed is by people who are happy to post such so happily. They're just in it to make a quick buck off people's suffering. Also, who are you calling 'highly qualified' and 'highly respected' exactly? The previous video that was discussed as disinformation was not by a qualified epidemiologist, and it was discussed how it could be labelled as such. You know, the repeated false claims. I know some think we're living in the post truth era where you can make literally any claim you feel like, with no evidence or otherwise, and just go 'well, that's just like your opinion man' and move on, but the reality is that the data is out there to check against. Given Trump spends so much of his time posting it, I'm not convinced he'd want to censor it. You say 'alternative opinions', but what defines the lie between someone just outright lying to their audience, and 'alternative views'? Surely you can't be in favour of allowing disinformation to be freely passed around in this day and age? Let's hope we get out of this soon so you can get those treatments. The point of my question though was whether they weren't necessary to cancel, ie it wasn't forced by circumstances. @G STAR RAM was claiming that the cancellations weren't required at all. Right sick to the back teeth of you lopsided rubbish , someone like Mike yeadon is just making a quick buck off the backs of people’s misery and the only people qualified to speak about the whole issue of Covid and it’s issues are epidemiologists, Almost our whole team at the top including experts and politicians are littered with conflicts of interests and crony pocket lining . you don’t even live in this country and you want to come and tell us what we should and shouldn’t be thinking and feeling , your just a propaganda machine spewing out the same lines over and over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Eddie said: We normally get together as a 4-household unit for Christmas Day, as follows: 1. The Memsahib and me 2. No 1 son, who lives alone and is an IT works from home specialist (i.e Billy no-mates, ventures out for shopping once a week, runs a few kilkometres in the evening) 3. No 2 daughter, who lives with her partner and our grandson 4. Alison and her daughter (who happens to be our step-granddaughter, and half-sister to our grandson). Groups 1 & 2 are a 'social bubble'. (met up once in 8 months). Groups 3 & 4 are another 'social bubble' (meet up daily). I'm really unsure how this will play out, but I don't see anyone being forcibly excluded. Well I don’t even know where to begin with this one , if you even consider breaking the rules ( being a covidiot) after the amount of abuse and accusations of selfishness , putting lives at risk selfishly you have thrown out to others for months is beyond the pale , am I surprised? Sadly no ,, as you said when it comes to money it’s up to you how much you give whilst not so for the un retired ??♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 48 minutes ago, Eddie said: I prefer the phrase "outrageous lies, aimed at the gullible". Thought you might after seeing the earlier pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyp Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 22 minutes ago, Archied said: Right sick to the back teeth of you lopsided rubbish , someone like Mike yeadon is just making a quick buck off the backs of people’s misery and the only people qualified to speak about the whole issue of Covid and it’s issues are epidemiologists, Almost our whole team at the top including experts and politicians are littered with conflicts of interests and crony pocket lining . you don’t even live in this country and you want to come and tell us what we should and shouldn’t be thinking and feeling , your just a propaganda machine spewing out the same lines over and over Plenty of what you would call highly qualified experienced scientists and doctors think Mike Yeadon is talking lots of poo, they happen to rather dislike the government also. Why would the government listen to someone that has been banned from most platforms for spreading misinformation? Why should anyone listen to someone who has been shown to spread misinformation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StockholmRam Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Stockholm Ram currently recovering from this awful virus. Got bad back ache and then weird metalic taste and then completely exhausted. Much better now but I highly recommend staying safe and not getting it. Not nice at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, jimmyp said: Plenty of what you would call highly qualified experienced scientists and doctors think Mike Yeadon is talking lots of poo, they happen to rather dislike the government also. Why would the government listen to someone that has been banned from most platforms for spreading misinformation? Why should anyone listen to someone who has been shown to spread misinformation? My god ,, who decides what is mis information ? Who pushes the bans ? yep final line is a great way to shut people down if you can get the label to stick ????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 My sister-in-law lives with her partner, and 3 kids (2 daughters over 20 and a younger son. Her other son lives nearby. Over Xmas, that household will be able to see 2 of the following: The son who lives nearby Long term bf of one daughter Long term bf of other daughter Parents/Grandparents Sister and her family (me and kids) That's 2 of the following as long as the household they meet sees no one else. If they see us, then we won't be able to see anyone else if they do. Do I see my parents and brother's family too? Do you see the people you like the most, or the ones you consider most expendable. Perhaps just stick to some outdoor visits for family and just see two sets of friends and their kids who are low risk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyp Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 26 minutes ago, Archied said: My god ,, who decides what is mis information ? Beryl at no 27! ?♂️?♂️?♂️?♂️?♂️ She decided because she had peer reviewed papers and facts to prove that the information she claimed to be misinformation was in fact misinformation, she didn’t like the idea of this misinformation being available to the public as she believed it could do real damage to people’s health. So she got on the blower and spoke to Dave at Twitter, Jane at Facebook and Fred at YouTube ????. They decided to look at all the evidence supplied by both parties. They then do some research of their own, and finally make a decision. In the non social media world people normally use pre existing evidence and known medical science to show misinformation for what it is. Quote Who pushes the bans ? People like Beryl I guess. Quote yep final line is a great way to shut people down if you can get the label to stick ????? Why out of all the people in the world did you choose Mike Yeadon? Tons of other specialists to pick from. Why do you believe him over anyone else? (You may not believe him, not saying you do disclaimer) PS The names I used probably aren’t real, and none of the above may happen in that order. Either way blame Beryl not me! ?♂️?♂️?♂️??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 30 minutes ago, jimmyp said: Beryl at no 27! ?♂️?♂️?♂️?♂️?♂️ She decided because she had peer reviewed papers and facts to prove that the information she claimed to be misinformation was in fact misinformation, she didn’t like the idea of this misinformation being available to the public as she believed it could do real damage to people’s health. So she got on the blower and spoke to Dave at Twitter, Jane at Facebook and Fred at YouTube ????. They decided to look at all the evidence supplied by both parties. They then do some research of their own, and finally make a decision. In the non social media world people normally use pre existing evidence and known medical science to show misinformation for what it is. People like Beryl I guess. Why out of all the people in the world did you choose Mike Yeadon? Tons of other specialists to pick from. Why do you believe him over anyone else? (You may not believe him, not saying you do disclaimer) PS The names I used probably aren’t real, and none of the above may happen in that order. ?♂️?♂️?♂️??? I didn’t choose Mike yeadon , I watched a video (first time ) that was on here and and many other places , talked about on radio an in newspapers , I found it interesting and couldn’t find the angle the misinformation accusers try to attach ,certainly not anymore so than the financial links the gov experts have and had with big pharma , now that may just be the result of working in that field and as such I personally at this point find it damming but if you want to play things one way then play it both you settle for what you want but a world where any government and ITS own chosen experts can decide what’s misinformation and should be banned hence decide what people can see, hear and talk about is not a world that I want to sit back and accept no matter who is in government and whatever side of any issue the stand ,, the good thing is that although the noise to drown the above out is constant on places like this the majority of people will eventually refuse to accept it too ,,, god even Eddie is up for bending the rules and being the covidiot he despises and ridicules???? Boris at number 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jimmyp Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, Archied said: I didn’t choose Mike yeadon , I watched a video (first time ) that was on here and and many other places , talked about on radio an in newspapers , I found it interesting and couldn’t find the angle the misinformation accusers try to attach The angle is that many of his claims are based on false numbers. His methods for obtaining certain figures are not recognised by the industry in which he works. Also from a medical point of view, telling people this is similar to the flu is really rather irresponsible. I’m sure if you research his claims a little more you will start to question many of his so called facts. You don’t have to use any government employed scientist to do this either. Look into the research by other reputable scientists that have slammed the governments response. Normally looking for a scientist that is employed by either a university or large organisation not connected to covid is a good idea also. 7 minutes ago, Archied said: ,certainly not anymore so than the financial links the gov experts have and had with big pharma , now that may just be the result of working in that field and as such I personally at this point find it damming but if you want to play things one way then play it both Yes thats why I have suggested looking into independent scientists with no connection to the government. Also for what it’s worth the government don’t appear to listen to their own scientists all that much. 7 minutes ago, Archied said: you settle for what you want but a world where any government and ITS own chosen experts can decide what’s misinformation and should be banned hence decide what people can see, hear and talk about is not a world that I want to sit back and accept no matter who is in government and whatever side of any issue the stand ,, They didn’t. The government don’t control google, Facebook, Twitter etc. Anyone can lodge a complaint claiming misinformation, they have to be able to prove it though. 7 minutes ago, Archied said: the good thing is that although the noise to drown the above out is constant on places like this the majority of people will eventually refuse to accept it too ,,, god even Eddie is up for bending the rules and being the covidiot he despises and ridicules???? Boris at number 10 I think your wrong on this point. I think the majority of people are very concerned and are prepared to follow the majority of the restrictions because they are aware of how covid spreads. You have also stated that you have followed all the rules. Eddie seems quite sensible, I’m sure he can look after himself in a safe manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, jimmyp said: The angle is that many of his claims are based on false numbers. His methods for obtaining certain figures are not recognised by the industry in which he works. Also from a medical point of view, telling people this is similar to the flu is really rather irresponsible. I’m sure if you research his claims a little more you will start to question many of his so called facts. You don’t have to use any government employed scientist to do this either. Look into the research by other reputable scientists that have slammed the governments response. Normally looking for a scientist that is employed by either a university or large organisation not connected to covid is a good idea also. Yes thats why I have suggested looking into independent scientists with no connection to the government. Also for what it’s worth the government don’t appear to listen to their own scientists all that much. They didn’t. The government don’t control google, Facebook, Twitter etc. Anyone can lodge a complaint claiming misinformation, they have to be able to prove it though. I think your wrong on this point. I think the majority of people are very concerned and are prepared to follow the majority of the restrictions because they are aware of how covid spreads. You have also stated that you have followed all the rules. Eddie seems quite sensible, I’m sure he can look after himself in a safe manner. Wow so are you saying it’s ok for us all to decide how to look after ourselves in a safe manner rules or no rules ? ps yes I have followed all the bloody rules but I can assure that is on very thin ice going forward as the majority make no bloody sense and are enforced and pushed by people who work on the principle of do as I say not as I do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyp Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, Archied said: Wow so are you saying it’s ok for us all to decide how to look after ourselves in a safe manner rules or no rules ? Nope, I didn’t say that. It’s not up to me to enforce the rules either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 19 minutes ago, jimmyp said: The angle is that many of his claims are based on false numbers. His methods for obtaining certain figures are not recognised by the industry in which he works. Also from a medical point of view, telling people this is similar to the flu is really rather irresponsible. I’m sure if you research his claims a little more you will start to question many of his so called facts. You don’t have to use any government employed scientist to do this either. Look into the research by other reputable scientists that have slammed the governments response. Normally looking for a scientist that is employed by either a university or large organisation not connected to covid is a good idea also. Yes thats why I have suggested looking into independent scientists with no connection to the government. Also for what it’s worth the government don’t appear to listen to their own scientists all that much. They didn’t. The government don’t control google, Facebook, Twitter etc. Anyone can lodge a complaint claiming misinformation, they have to be able to prove it though. I think your wrong on this point. I think the majority of people are very concerned and are prepared to follow the majority of the restrictions because they are aware of how covid spreads. You have also stated that you have followed all the rules. Eddie seems quite sensible, I’m sure he can look after himself in a safe manner. So you were saying I’m sure Eddie will follow the rules, strange it’s not up to you to enforce the rules or even frown on those suggesting they may not ( dependant on who that is it seems) but you take the job of policing misinformation ? and what should and should not be seen ,heard and talked about by whom seriously ,,, hmmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyp Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Archied said: So you were saying I’m sure Eddie will follow the rules You highlighted me quite literally not saying that! 2 minutes ago, Archied said: , strange it’s not up to you to enforce the rules or even frown on those suggesting they may not ( dependant on who that is it seems) but you take the job of policing misinformation ? and what should and should not be seen ,heard and talked about by whom seriously ,,, hmmmmmm I have never submitted a misinformation claim in my entire life. How am I policing misinformation. You asked who decides what misinformation is, I answered. I’m not the misinformation police, I don’t have a special badge and hat and go around blowing a whistle! I did say telling people this was like the flu was medically irresponsible, but on that point it really is rather easy to find doctors that overwhelmingly support that statement and have made that very statement. Why have you started accusing me of saying stuff I haven’t? I don’t understand how you jump to such a conclusion. I happy to talk about this stuff with you in a sensible manner. If you want to start changing my words Im equally as happy to stop the discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 16 minutes ago, jimmyp said: You highlighted me quite literally not saying that! I have never submitted a misinformation claim in my entire life. How am I policing misinformation. You asked who decides what misinformation is, I answered. I’m not the misinformation police, I don’t have a special badge and hat and go around blowing a whistle! I did say telling people this was like the flu was medically irresponsible, but on that point it really is rather easy to find doctors that overwhelmingly support that statement and have made that very statement. Why have you started accusing me of saying stuff I haven’t? I don’t understand how you jump to such a conclusion. I happy to talk about this stuff with you in a sensible manner. If you want to start changing my words Im equally as happy to stop the discussion. Totally up to you , but you don’t get to decide unilaterally what constitutes sensible in a tw way talk , I speak plainly and I listen plainly ,some don’t like getting back what they give out??♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyp Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, Archied said: Totally up to you , but you don’t get to decide unilaterally what constitutes sensible in a tw way talk , I speak plainly and I listen plainly ,some don’t like getting back what they give out??♂️ Yes that’s cool, I need you not to presume I’m saying something if I haven’t said it though. Im not sure what I’m giving out other than answering your questions and making conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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