Coronavirus

[jimmyp]

5 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said:

Wouldnt you rather it be the experts calling it out as nonsense and explaining why, rather than just some random guy on a football forum.

If it was just one person with an alternative view and no qualifications or links to the medical profession I can understand it being ignored. When it is much more than that then surely the Government should be listening to the points raised and explaining to people why they are not using the advice.

It may be that the Government are doing that.

From the outside though it looks like that the only thought is to stop any more Covid deaths and completly disregard everything else.

You can watch independentsage being asked these questions every week, think it’s on a Friday afternoon. They publish all of these meetings to YouTube also. 

The questions don’t go unanswered. 

Mp’s along with journalists also get to ask questions. 

[Archied]

9 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

Only person who's used the phrase Granny Killer is you, to be fair.

It’s being used all over the place , sometimes outright or by implication, your not really gonna pretend that’s not the case on here are you ? 
 

[GboroRam]

34 minutes ago, Archied said:

It’s being used all over the place , sometimes outright or by implication, your not really gonna pretend that’s not the case on here are you ? 
 

Only one person who's used the phrase Granny Killer is you, to be fair.

[Archied]

52 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

Only one person who's used the phrase Granny Killer is you, to be fair.

Ok ??‍♂️

[Anag Ram]

Looking forward to our safe Christmas 

 

 

[GboroRam]

18 minutes ago, Archied said:

Ok ??‍♂️

The phrase has been used 6 times by you, twice by me now telling you that you are the only person to use the phrase, and once by G STAR. Go check. 

[ariotofmyown]

8 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

The phrase has been used 6 times by you, twice by me now telling you that you are the only person to use the phrase, and once by G STAR. Go check. 

Oh look, another @Albertwannabe, with more of those boring numbers. 

[jimmyp]

25 minutes ago, Anag Ram said:

Looking forward to our safe Christmas 

 

 

But what on earth would you do with blunt nail clippers that size? 

[Archied]

20 minutes ago, GboroRam said:

The phrase has been used 6 times by you, twice by me now telling you that you are the only person to use the phrase, and once by G STAR. Go check. 

It’s been pointed out countless times on here that if you don’t follow the narrative you are comfortable for the old and or vulnerable to lose they’re lives because your so selfish... Go ,,,,,,,,, oh never mind

[Angry Ram]

31 minutes ago, Anag Ram said:

Looking forward to our safe Christmas 

 

 

You wanna see the size of the condom she’s brought me, for our annual date night.. I think she is hoping for the rule is 6 to come back.

[ariotofmyown]

Anyone gonna have a go at working out these Xmas rules then?

[Sith Happens]

5 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said:

Anyone gonna have a go at working out these Xmas rules then?

Not detailed yet but what I have seen so far doesn't seem that complicated. 

[ariotofmyown]

Just now, Sith Happens said:

Not detailed yet but what I have seen so far doesn't seem that complicated. 

Is it just mixing with 3 households over the period, or no more than 3 at once? I assume the former?

[Sith Happens]

5 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said:

Is it just mixing with 3 households over the period, or no more than 3 at once? I assume the former?

Yeah they have said 3 households for the period. Not 3 one day and 3 the next.

People are going to break the rules.  Maybe the thinking is people will break the rules a certain amount so the more leeway you give the more they will break them. 

Edit. I know I'm going to miss out on seeing mum and dad, but they will have to prioritise the 3 where they can meet their grandchildren. 

Hopefully if in no higher than tier 2 I can see them outside. 

[Eddie]

We normally get together as a 4-household unit for Christmas Day, as follows:

1. The Memsahib and me

2. No 1 son, who lives alone and is an IT works from home specialist (i.e Billy no-mates, ventures out for shopping once a week, runs a few kilkometres in the evening)

3. No 2 daughter, who lives with her partner and our grandson

4. Alison and her daughter  (who happens to be our step-granddaughter, and half-sister to our grandson).

Groups 1 & 2 are a 'social bubble'. (met up once in 8 months). Groups 3 & 4 are another 'social bubble' (meet up daily).

I'm really unsure how this will play out, but I don't see anyone being forcibly excluded.

[Sith Happens]

8 minutes ago, Eddie said:

We normally get together as a 4-household unit for Christmas Day, as follows:

1. The Memsahib and me

2. No 1 son, who lives alone and is an IT works from home specialist (i.e Billy no-mates, ventures out for shopping once a week, runs a few kilkometres in the evening)

3. No 2 daughter, who lives with her partner and our grandson

4. Alison and her daughter  (who happens to be our step-granddaughter, and half-sister to our grandson).

Groups 1 & 2 are a 'social bubble'. (met up once in 8 months). Groups 3 & 4 are another 'social bubble' (meet up daily).

I'm really unsure how this will play out, but I don't see anyone being forcibly excluded.

Tough isn't it.

It won't be policed unless you are being ridiculous with numbers.

Like I said in my other post I reckon they know people will bend the rules,  the more you give the more they take and all that. 

For us we have 2 households (1 bubble ) plus another. 

We will manage. I won't see my mum and dad or sister but I'll do a video call.

I think you will be ok in my opinion. 

 

[Albert]

6 hours ago, Archied said:

Disinformation videos , repeat disinformation videos , I’m stunned that a lot of people on here I consider liberal in attitude don’t find this jargon alarming,

They are literal disinformation videos. They are videos, filled with false, misleading and otherwise incorrect claims. What should be alarming is people publishing and posting that kind of thing so readily. 

6 hours ago, Archied said:

have we actually crossed the line yet or is it just blurred ? Where a government and its supporters can label anything by anybody whether highly qualified and highly respected in a variety of fields as MISINFORMATION like they are agitators trying to destabilise the ruling regime and have it and them censored , deplatformed , personally and professionally vilified and attacked verbally on social media and other media.

The only line crossed is by people who are happy to post such so happily. They're just in it to make a quick buck off people's suffering. 

Also, who are you calling 'highly qualified' and 'highly respected' exactly? The previous video that was discussed as disinformation was not by a qualified epidemiologist, and it was discussed how it could be labelled as such. You know, the repeated false claims. I know some think we're living in the post truth era where you can make literally any claim you feel like, with no evidence or otherwise, and just go 'well, that's just like your opinion man' and move on, but the reality is that the data is out there to check against. 

6 hours ago, Archied said:

I was sceptical when those same people raised huge concerns over this kind of thing re election tampering ,brexit stuff and more but now I’m not so sure ,

reminds me of the old joke regards Russian tv back in the day ,, apparently there were only two channels

Russia tv 1 was a government propaganda channel

Russia tv 2 was just a presenter on loop saying sternly ,TURN OVER TO CHANNEL 1

i really hope people continue to post alternative videos , article s and opinions so we can all make our own minds up as once that is wiped out we are ducked

imagine if trump had had the power to censor fake news ??‍♂️

 

Given Trump spends so much of his time posting it, I'm not convinced he'd want to censor it. 

You say 'alternative opinions', but what defines the lie between someone just outright lying to their audience, and 'alternative views'? Surely you can't be in favour of allowing disinformation to be freely passed around in this day and age? 

5 hours ago, Eddie said:

I've had two cancelled indefinitely

Let's hope we get out of this soon so you can get those treatments. 

The point of my question though was whether they weren't necessary to cancel, ie it wasn't forced by circumstances. @G STAR RAM was claiming that the cancellations weren't required at all. 

[Norman]

1 hour ago, ariotofmyown said:

Oh look, another @Albertwannabe, with more of those boring numbers. 

Except those numbers are correct and won't be challenged. 

Unlike the 11.7 that has been done over and over again. With lots of important data missing. But, it's OK. Some people are impressed by a big wall of text and a never ending desire to bore people to leave the thread. 

[Albert]

8 minutes ago, Norman said:

Except those numbers are correct and won't be challenged. 

Unlike the 11.7 that has been done over and over again. With lots of important data missing. But, it's OK. Some people are impressed by a big wall of text and a never ending desire to bore people to leave the thread. 

The 11.7 years figure may evolve over time, but it won't change all that significantly. That's not the big one though, there are plenty of things that we already known to definitely be the case in this pandemic, that aren't changing with opinions. If you wish to ignore those, then go ahead. 

I do love it when people 'get bored' of arguments, make zero attempt to refute them, then randomly half challenge some single point though. 

[Eddie]

6 hours ago, Archied said:

Disinformation videos , repeat disinformation videos , I’m stunned that a lot of people on here I consider liberal in attitude don’t find this jargon alarming,

I prefer the phrase "outrageous lies, aimed at the gullible".