May Contain Nuts Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 12 minutes ago, i-Ram said: Not sure of your point here. I wouldn’t think it feasible that we sign deals with every company developing a COVID vaccine. There are some 130 are’nt there? We have a signed agreement with Pfizer iirc, and we are heavily invested in the Oxford University programme which will deliver results almost certainly as data is shared across the developer community. The EU deal is a ‘potential’ deal and could be as little as 8 million, but perhaps up to 160m. If pooling resources is as effective getting vaccine as it was with PPE earlier this year, EU Citizens might be hoping that their respective Governments do a bit of independent sourcing too. "oops, oh well" Not everything has an overarching political point behind it or intended to make some sort of statement. Simple reaction is simple. Don't worry - you won't need to go all 'Albert' on me ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, Bigfella said: Spokesman from Moderna on BBC tv news channel at the moment saying they have been in discussion with UK for some time and millions of doses will be available to us early in the new year. Cool, cheers for the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brammie Steve Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, Bigfella said: Also drug can be stored in normal freezers for 6 months and normal refrigerators for 39 days so distribution will be similar to normal vaccines and will use existing storages systems. Didn’t someone mention -80 degrees? (Celsius I presume) Or were they talking nitrogen/cryogenics? Sounded way below domestic fridge- freezer levels. Certainly won’t be transportable on the backs of bicycles in Africa like some news reports suggest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigfella Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Brummie Steve said: Didn’t someone mention -80 degrees? (Celsius I presume) Or were they talking nitrogen/cryogenics? Sounded way below domestic fridge- freezer levels. Certainly won’t be transportable on the backs of bicycles in Africa like some news reports suggest! That was for the Pfizer drug announced last week, the one I was quoting was for the one announced today which is easier to transport and store due to it requiring normal freezers and fridges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 4 hours ago, i-Ram said: Not sure of your point here. I wouldn’t think it feasible that we sign deals with every company developing a COVID vaccine. There are some 130 are’nt there? We have a signed agreement with Pfizer iirc, and we are heavily invested in the Oxford University programme which will deliver results almost certainly as data is shared across the developer community. The EU deal is a ‘potential’ deal and could be as little as 8 million, but perhaps up to 160m. If pooling resources is as effective getting vaccine as it was with PPE earlier this year, EU Citizens might be hoping that their respective Governments do a bit of independent sourcing too. I'm reading 80 to 160 million doses. Not bad considering the EU is 446 million population (and by spring will have dropped by 70m). https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-eu-moderna-price-excl-idUSKBN27W256 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, GboroRam said: I'm reading 80 to 160 million doses. Not bad considering the EU is 446 million population (and by spring will have dropped by 70m). https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-eu-moderna-price-excl-idUSKBN27W256 Ta. Didn’t do any research just took Coconut’s stated figures at face value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 22 minutes ago, GboroRam said: I'm reading 80 to 160 million doses. Not bad considering the EU is 446 million population (and by spring will have dropped by 70m). https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-eu-moderna-price-excl-idUSKBN27W256 At first glance, I thought 'Christ, that's a high death rate'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 6 hours ago, Coconut said: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/16/moderna-covid-vaccine-candidate-almost-95-effective-trials-show "So far, the UK does not stand to benefit from the vaccine. Moderna has agreed deals to provide the US with 100 million doses, with an option to buy 400 million more. Japan, Canada, Switzerland, Qatar and Israel have also signed agreements, and the European Commission has a “potential purchase agreement” for 8 to 160 million doses. The UK chose not to participate in the EU scheme, with Matt Hancock arguing in July that the government could source vaccine faster on its own" Have to laugh at The Guardian "So far, the Uk does not stand to benefit from the vaccine." Yet European Commission has a “potential purchase agreement” for 8 to 160 million doses. So unless I'm reading it wrong, so far, the EU also does not stand to benefit from the vaccine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester40 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 I have a very good friend who tested positive in June having been fairly ill (flu like symptoms). They suddenly lost their sense of taste/smell last week so they went for another test, which was positive. No other symptoms. Not sure what to make of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B4ev6is Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Chester40 said: I have a very good friend who tested positive in June having been fairly ill (flu like symptoms). They suddenly lost their sense of taste/smell last week so they went for another test, which was positive. No other symptoms. Not sure what to make of it. I dont see why dont just copy that vaccine oh no that's all to easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 30 minutes ago, B4ev6is said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Italian scientists claim virus was circulating in September 2019 https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-circulating-in-italy-as-early-as-september-2019-scientists-claim-12133825 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 11 hours ago, Coconut said: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/16/moderna-covid-vaccine-candidate-almost-95-effective-trials-show "So far, the UK does not stand to benefit from the vaccine. Moderna has agreed deals to provide the US with 100 million doses, with an option to buy 400 million more. Japan, Canada, Switzerland, Qatar and Israel have also signed agreements, and the European Commission has a “potential purchase agreement” for 8 to 160 million doses. The UK chose not to participate in the EU scheme, with Matt Hancock arguing in July that the government could source vaccine faster on its own" Is this one of those 'Images that preceed events' moments lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 OK so I don't get this, we've now bought so many different vaccines that everybody can have about 5 doses each. But seriously as a country we are going to have about 10 billion stockpiled in vaccines. Can you imagine the outcry at this down the line and yet us under 50's will have to wait bloody ages to get one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 46 minutes ago, Sith Happens said: Italian scientists claim virus was circulating in September 2019 https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-circulating-in-italy-as-early-as-september-2019-scientists-claim-12133825 Yep, my lad who lives in Singapore said it was around then. One theory was it was spread world wide by the thousands of participants in the Military games in Wuhan in October 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ketteringram Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 4 hours ago, rammieib said: OK so I don't get this, we've now bought so many different vaccines that everybody can have about 5 doses each. But seriously as a country we are going to have about 10 billion stockpiled in vaccines. Can you imagine the outcry at this down the line and yet us under 50's will have to wait bloody ages to get one. Depends how long the vaccine, if it works at all, gives you immunity I guess. No one seems to know that yet. Could be years, months,or six and a half weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 4 hours ago, uttoxram75 said: Yep, my lad who lives in Singapore said it was around then. One theory was it was spread world wide by the thousands of participants in the Military games in Wuhan in October 2019. I wonder why the death rate didn't increase like it did in the spring if this was the case, unless it was either not as potent initially or actually the huge increase in cases and deaths was because it was already circulating and wasn't an explosion of cases over a few weeks as appeared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Sith Happens said: I wonder why the death rate didn't increase like it did in the spring if this was the case, unless it was either not as potent initially or actually the huge increase in cases and deaths was because it was already circulating and wasn't an explosion of cases over a few weeks as appeared. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10538997/flu-cases-soar-death-toll-intensive-care/ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-50807003 https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/06/us-flu-season-arrives-early-driven-by-an-unexpected-virus.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, maxjam said: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10538997/flu-cases-soar-death-toll-intensive-care/ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-50807003 https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/06/us-flu-season-arrives-early-driven-by-an-unexpected-virus.html Cheers, I know lots of people, including myself, who were very ill last Christmas. If i had those symptoms today i would be convinced i had Covid. I do still wonder, even with these reports, if it was circulating why it took until spring for excess deaths to be recorded. I do recall some report that satellite images showed huge queues last summer in Wuhan outside medical centres, and hospitals..dont know if that was true or just media reporting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexxxxx Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 50 minutes ago, maxjam said: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10538997/flu-cases-soar-death-toll-intensive-care/ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-50807003 https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/06/us-flu-season-arrives-early-driven-by-an-unexpected-virus.html I wonder if these deaths were ‘tested’ for flu if that’s possible or just assumed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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