Coronavirus

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1 hour ago, Albert said:

If you cared, you'd take the one in millions risk associated with vaccines to end this sooner. You're more likely to get hurt on the way to the doctor to get the vaccine than from the vaccine itself. It's not a tool to coerce, it's just the facts of the case. If you're not even willing to take that risk to end the lockdowns, and bring back some level of normality, then I don't believe for a second you actually care about what people are going through. 

You talk self righteous rubbish , , I’m not sitting here in some parallel universe not going through and experiencing the same as those people you accuse me of not caring about ??? , the lockdowns and threats of lockdowns will end because people will very soon no longer put up with the kind of rubbish you constantly spout and the tactics your ilk employ

oh and there you go again speaking like an expert When in fact you have no qualification to say what you say and just like everybody else choose who and what influences you 

[Mick Brolly]

Boris self isolating after contact with a carrier. 

[ariotofmyown]

18 minutes ago, Mick Brolly said:

Boris self isolating after contact with a carrier. 

Cummings off to specsavers as we speak.

[1of4]

Does Johnson having to self isolate raise a number of questions? 

If as has been stated that Johnson has already had and recovered from coronavirus, why does he need to self isolating?

Does that mean

a, even with him having had the virus, he hasn't got, or the medical experts don't know if he has any immunity to the virus.

b, that if even he does have immunity to the virus, he could possibly be re-infected, meaning he could still be a carrier and transmit the virus to other people.

 

[B4ev6is]

Or c he does not even have it or he already had vaccine.

[Boycie]

* watching closely 

[Eddie]

48 minutes ago, 1of4 said:

Does Johnson having to self isolate raise a number of questions? 

If as has been stated that Johnson has already had and recovered from coronavirus, why does he need to self isolating?

Does that mean

a, even with him having had the virus, he hasn't got, or the medical experts don't know if he has any immunity to the virus.

b, that if even he does have immunity to the virus, he could possibly be re-infected, meaning he could still be a carrier and transmit the virus to other people.

 

There has been a very small number of well-documented cases of people contracting the virus a second time - and certainly in one case, the person concerned was completely asymptomatic the second time, but that only means that they weren't suffering any symptoms. It does not mean that they couldn't infect others.

[G STAR RAM]

58 minutes ago, 1of4 said:

Does Johnson having to self isolate raise a number of questions? 

The biggest one being, who exactly does he think he is fooling?

[Sith Happens]

9 hours ago, 1of4 said:

Does Johnson having to self isolate raise a number of questions? 

If as has been stated that Johnson has already had and recovered from coronavirus, why does he need to self isolating?

Does that mean

a, even with him having had the virus, he hasn't got, or the medical experts don't know if he has any immunity to the virus.

b, that if even he does have immunity to the virus, he could possibly be re-infected, meaning he could still be a carrier and transmit the virus to other people.

 

Think it means no one knows yet.

[alexxxxx]

9 hours ago, 1of4 said:

 

b, that if even he does have immunity to the virus, he could possibly be re-infected, meaning he could still be a carrier and transmit the virus to other people.

 

They think this is the real problem. 

Trouble is that this will make people less likely to want the vaccine if you can be immune but still need to isolate if you come in to contact with a positive case. 

[Sith Happens]

1 minute ago, alexxxxx said:

They think this is the real problem. 

Trouble is that this will make people less likely to want the vaccine if you can be immune but still need to isolate if you come in to contact with a positive case. 

Read yesterday that they reckon it will help prevent the spread but not perhaps to the level of protection, protection being 90%, 50% protection against spreading.

All theories of course, but even at 50% it would be significant.

We dont know though, still too early i guess.

[Eddie]

3 hours ago, Sith Happens said:

Read yesterday that they reckon it will help prevent the spread but not perhaps to the level of protection, protection being 90%, 50% protection against spreading.

All theories of course, but even at 50% it would be significant.

We dont know though, still too early i guess.

Hugely significant, even at 50% - which is about the level a flu vaccine offers against influenza.

[Anag Ram]

I’m getting fed up with politicians and scientists coming on telly to give us good news about a possible vaccine only for journalists and rival politicians to then say ‘Yes but, will...’

Isn’t it time that we put politics and cynicism aside just for a bit and celebrate the fact that there might actually be light at the end of this rather nasty, dark tunnel?
 

[Sith Happens]

46 minutes ago, Anag Ram said:

I’m getting fed up with politicians and scientists coming on telly to give us good news about a possible vaccine only for journalists and rival politicians to then say ‘Yes but, will...’

Isn’t it time that we put politics and cynicism aside just for a bit and celebrate the fact that there might actually be light at the end of this rather nasty, dark tunnel?
 

I agree on journalists...i thought politicians had been fairly unaminous in their cautious optimism?

[Sith Happens]

US Vaccine shows 95% protection.. All got to be good news.

[May Contain Nuts]

13 minutes ago, Sith Happens said:

US Vaccine shows 95% protection.. All got to be good news.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/16/moderna-covid-vaccine-candidate-almost-95-effective-trials-show

"So far, the UK does not stand to benefit from the vaccine. Moderna has agreed deals to provide the US with 100 million doses, with an option to buy 400 million more. Japan, Canada, Switzerland, Qatar and Israel have also signed agreements, and the European Commission has a “potential purchase agreement” for 8 to 160 million doses. The UK chose not to participate in the EU scheme, with Matt Hancock arguing in July that the government could source vaccine faster on its own"

 

 

[ariotofmyown]

28 minutes ago, Coconut said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/16/moderna-covid-vaccine-candidate-almost-95-effective-trials-show

"So far, the UK does not stand to benefit from the vaccine. Moderna has agreed deals to provide the US with 100 million doses, with an option to buy 400 million more. Japan, Canada, Switzerland, Qatar and Israel have also signed agreements, and the European Commission has a “potential purchase agreement” for 8 to 160 million doses. The UK chose not to participate in the EU scheme, with Matt Hancock arguing in July that the government could source vaccine faster on its own"

 

 

But who was telling Hancock what to say?

[i-Ram]

55 minutes ago, Coconut said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/16/moderna-covid-vaccine-candidate-almost-95-effective-trials-show

"So far, the UK does not stand to benefit from the vaccine. Moderna has agreed deals to provide the US with 100 million doses, with an option to buy 400 million more. Japan, Canada, Switzerland, Qatar and Israel have also signed agreements, and the European Commission has a “potential purchase agreement” for 8 to 160 million doses. The UK chose not to participate in the EU scheme, with Matt Hancock arguing in July that the government could source vaccine faster on its own"

 

 

Not sure of your point here. I wouldn’t think it feasible that we sign deals with every company developing a COVID vaccine. There are some 130 are’nt there? We have a signed agreement with Pfizer iirc, and we are heavily invested in the Oxford University programme which will deliver results almost certainly as data is shared across the developer community. The EU deal is a ‘potential’ deal and could be as little as 8 million, but perhaps up to 160m. If pooling resources is as effective getting vaccine as it was with PPE earlier this year, EU Citizens might be hoping that their respective Governments do a bit of independent sourcing too.

[Bigfella]

1 hour ago, Coconut said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/16/moderna-covid-vaccine-candidate-almost-95-effective-trials-show

"So far, the UK does not stand to benefit from the vaccine. Moderna has agreed deals to provide the US with 100 million doses, with an option to buy 400 million more. Japan, Canada, Switzerland, Qatar and Israel have also signed agreements, and the European Commission has a “potential purchase agreement” for 8 to 160 million doses. The UK chose not to participate in the EU scheme, with Matt Hancock arguing in July that the government could source vaccine faster on its own"

 

 

Spokesman from Moderna on BBC tv news channel at the moment saying they have been in discussion with UK for some time and millions of doses will be available to us early in the new year.

[Bigfella]

2 minutes ago, Bigfella said:

Spokesman from Moderna on BBC tv news channel at the moment saying they have been in discussion with UK for some time and millions of doses will be available to us early in the new year.

Also drug can be stored in normal freezers for 6 months and normal refrigerators for 39 days so distribution will be similar to normal vaccines and will use existing storages systems.