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5 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Couldn't sleep last night - having serious doubts sorting out in my own mind whether or not what I'm considering doing is the right thing to do. Feel totally helpless and somewhere between 'forgotten' and 'completely ignored'.

Perhaps this discussion ought to be in the 'mental health' thread.

Your proposal outlined last night, including carrying chairs for a mile and a half and back does not follow your usual logical thought process. If you drive Eddie I would suggest your first step should be to go for a drive today, before the weekend, and head for a bit of open space. 15 minute stop, avoiding people the best you can other than perhaps a cheery wave. Step two tomorrow.

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1 hour ago, i-Ram said:

Your proposal outlined last night, including carrying chairs for a mile and a half and back does not follow your usual logical thought process. If you drive Eddie I would suggest your first step should be to go for a drive today, before the weekend, and head for a bit of open space. 15 minute stop, avoiding people the best you can other than perhaps a cheery wave. Step two tomorrow.

Or I could do what I normally do (and all to frequently for my own good) - sit in my back garden and open another bottle.

The chairs are very light and each comes with its own holdall. In the before-times, we (ok, 'I') would carry them and a shoulder bag containing the booze/picnic. The walking was/is the whole point.

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14 hours ago, Eddie said:

Well, the wife and I are going out for a walk at the weekend - taking our own chairs, a couple of freezer packs, some beer and a picnic. We will be very careful with respect to social distancing. It may be somewhat irresponsible of me, but I have been sheltering in place for 10 weeks now utterly and totally, never venturing more than two metres from my front door, and when Boris decided that he was going to basically ignore the question from the lady who is in a similar situation, just fobbing her off with a non-committal say nothing answer, that made my decision for me. Nothing will change until we get a vaccine, and even then there are doubts as to whether we will get one that is effective, and for how long it will be.

Both mine and my wife's mental health is suffering terribly, and today's dodging of the question brought things to a head for us both. I'm getting even more cranky than normal (I don't really hate you - well, not all of you all of the time at any rate), and I am sick to death with people making decisions which they say is for my own good, whilst doing the opposite themselves. 

 

I think, from the balance of risk, that if you are able to find a quiet spot to sit then a walk out sounds the best course of action. Yes, its not risk free but a reasonable trade-off of the mental damage which you are now certainly suffering with something that is - with sensible precautions - very unlikely (but horrible if it were to occur).

 I'm not insensitive to your dilemma as we're trying to plan how we can celebrate parents golden wedding on July 11th without exposing them to too much risk. it's also mothers birthday tomorrow but i won't be seeing her as it isn't 260 miles from Hampshire to Belper so i won't be allowed......

I wish you both well, whatever you decide.

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I had a test as part of the statistical survey, got the results three times-Negative

Took 5 days, then I got a text, then an e-mail and then 2 days later a real paper letter, all saying exactly the same thing.  seems a bit of overkill but I guess only the snail mail required human intervention (and cost).

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36 minutes ago, FindernRam said:

I had a test as part of the statistical survey, got the results three times-Negative

Took 5 days, then I got a text, then an e-mail and then 2 days later a real paper letter, all saying exactly the same thing.  seems a bit of overkill but I guess only the snail mail required human intervention (and cost).

The medics seem to be saying that to get a decent benefit from track and trace you need to be able to get test results in 48 hours, as the first 3 days are crucial. So the labs have got to up their game if its currently taking 5 days to get en e-alert out.

Unless they ARE getting results in 48 hours but acting 1st on the positive ones.......but if you could know sooner, you'd like to I think?

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2 hours ago, Van der MoodHoover said:

The medics seem to be saying that to get a decent benefit from track and trace you need to be able to get test results in 48 hours, as the first 3 days are crucial. So the labs have got to up their game if its currently taking 5 days to get en e-alert out.

Unless they ARE getting results in 48 hours but acting 1st on the positive ones.......but if you could know sooner, you'd like to I think?

Well my test was part of a statistics survey prior to track and trace but your point is valid.

Saw some figures that a majority of infected people show no symptoms so do not test and therefore their contacts are not traced.

Vital question: If a non sympton person infects someone are they also going to be no symptomatic, if so no big deal. If not then T&T is not going to work 

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1 hour ago, alexxxxx said:

Looks like the UK is firmly in the top 2 (Spain being top) for the worst impacted by coronavirus if you look at the excess death figures.

I think it's still too early to compare but I suspect we're not going to come out of it too well.

If that's the case then, there seems to me to be four scenarios/things to consider:

1) The medical/scientific advice our government received wasn't good enough

2) The advice was good but either ignored or not implemented well by the government

3) There are genuine mitigating circumstances. i.e. not just feeble excuses. For example, Italy could probably be expected to come out worse out of the European nations because of their more elderly population and because it hit them first

4) This one is very controversial. Some people have talked about the effects on the economy (including knock on health and well-being) being far more damaging. Maybe our economy will come out the crisis stronger than others (don't shoot me, I'm only sharing a view aired)

If it's 1 or 2 then I feel some people need to be made accountable. 3 feels very unlikely (however hare the politicians may try) and, as I say, 4 is very controversial, of no consolation to those that have lost loved ones and probably very difficult to measure the true knock on effect.

There is a fifth and that is that the UK population has been poorer at complying with lock down restrictions. Despite the number of cases reported, including the high profile ones, I suspect that we have been no worse or better than anyone else.

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31 minutes ago, FindernRam said:

Well my test was part of a statistics survey prior to track and trace but your point is valid.

Saw some figures that a majority of infected people show no symptoms so do not test and therefore their contacts are not traced.

Vital question: If a non sympton person infects someone are they also going to be no symptomatic, if so no big deal. If not then T&T is not going to work 

I would guess that whether you show symptoms is linked to how susceptible you how rather than the virus being a different strain if it comes form an asymptomatic source

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On 28/05/2020 at 14:46, JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta said:

Got my test coming in the post in the next 48 hours on orders of my GP. My taste and smell have vanished again after coming back briefly. I am now being told to stay indoors until I have had my results, which is a shame because Durham looks bloody lovely at this time of year.

Haha!

Hope you're on the mend soon buddy 👍

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2 hours ago, Tamworthram said:

I think it's still too early to compare but I suspect we're not going to come out of it too well.

If that's the case then, there seems to me to be four scenarios/things to consider:

1) The medical/scientific advice our government received wasn't good enough

2) The advice was good but either ignored or not implemented well by the government

3) There are genuine mitigating circumstances. i.e. not just feeble excuses. For example, Italy could probably be expected to come out worse out of the European nations because of their more elderly population and because it hit them first

4) This one is very controversial. Some people have talked about the effects on the economy (including knock on health and well-being) being far more damaging. Maybe our economy will come out the crisis stronger than others (don't shoot me, I'm only sharing a view aired)

If it's 1 or 2 then I feel some people need to be made accountable. 3 feels very unlikely (however hare the politicians may try) and, as I say, 4 is very controversial, of no consolation to those that have lost loved ones and probably very difficult to measure the true knock on effect.

There is a fifth and that is that the UK population has been poorer at complying with lock down restrictions. Despite the number of cases reported, including the high profile ones, I suspect that we have been no worse or better than anyone else.

We are fat, old, multi cultural and densely populated. We don’t follow rules and we love a good BBQ as soon as it hits 18 degrees.

I mean Jesus Christ could have led us through this and we’d be in the same position (IMO).

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39 minutes ago, Van Cone De Head said:

From what I’ve seen and heard at work today,if the government think that people aren’t going to have BBQ’s and party’s with people round they need to get a grip on reality.

A lot aren’t going to wait till Monday.

I think Cummings has smashed the lockdown single handedly, its over, people will decide to do what they want to do now.

 

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1 hour ago, Van Cone De Head said:

From what I’ve seen and heard at work today,if the government think that people aren’t going to have BBQ’s and party’s with people round they need to get a grip on reality.

A lot aren’t going to wait till Monday.

They know that - releasing that info yesterday shows the government are being pro active and making attempts but by delaying it until Monday, they know only half the population will have a BBQ with friends this weekend!

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1 hour ago, Van Cone De Head said:

From what I’ve seen and heard at work today,if the government think that people aren’t going to have BBQ’s and party’s with people round they need to get a grip on reality.

A lot aren’t going to wait till Monday.

I cannot decide whether they are so dumb to think that people would wait over what will be a lovely sunny weekend until Monday.

Or it's a deliberate ploy to say well we gave you the guidelines but you ignored them!

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