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7 hours ago, reverendo de duivel said:

 

If you think our lockdown is strict, look where Cyprus will allow catering companies to open!

 

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How the hell do you drink with a space helmet on? Or perhaps you take it off momentarily, hand it to the barman, say "Fill it up" and put it back on?

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1 hour ago, A Ram for All Seasons said:

Cafes in Germany have just opened again too. Before you sit down, you have to enter your name, address and phone number in a list which is sent to the local health authority. If anybody sat at the same table comes down with Coronavirus you will be sent into quarantine for 14 days. Best not bother, too much hassle.

I ruled it out based on the cost of travel.

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5 hours ago, A Ram for All Seasons said:

Cafes in Germany have just opened again too. Before you sit down, you have to enter your name, address and phone number in a list which is sent to the local health authority. If anybody sat at the same table comes down with Coronavirus you will be sent into quarantine for 14 days. Best not bother, too much hassle.

Our cafes, restaurant's and pubs opened to the same thing on the weekend. As well, there is a max of 10 people per sitting. Qld and NSW schools open to all students this Monday. The last fortnight it has been only preps, year 1&2 as well as year 11&12. Australia's deaths unfortunately now stand at 100. The Rugby League season kicks off again next Thursday.

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8 hours ago, Eddie said:

I think that you need to look at average number of deaths per week over a number of years, then compare the current time against (say) the same period over the last 10 or 20 years. It's probably the closest we are ever going to get to being able to make any serious comparisons.

Whether other countries have anything like the ONS, I just don't know. I should imagine that most countries have registers of births and deaths, and that death certificates are collated centrally. Getting hold of those figures though - that's another matter.

I agree. My gut feeling is that our government hasn’t dealt with the situation as well as some others but, until we have more data along the lines that you have suggested (if we ever do), the government is right when they say you can’t necessarily make a comparison just yet. Who knows, maybe some of the countries that appear to have escaped the worst of it may be hit by a more severe second spike.

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5 hours ago, Andicis said:
Absolutely crazy that Cambridge is making a decision this early, I'm going to be so annoyed if my Uni makes the same decision, guarantee they won't lower tuition fees...

I do wonder why they've gone this route so early. My sense of things is that all Uni's may ultimately be forced down this route unfortunately, but then my typically optimistic outlook has dissolved away where CV is concerned. 

As regards the costs, there is no way that Uni's can justify maintaining the current fee structure. It's a bugbear for my lad too and seemingly for all of his mates and rightly so. He's in his final year at UCL but is looking at Masters options for neuropharma already. He's been working 20 hours a week on top of studies even with me topping up his funds as the cost of renting a place in London on top of course fees is astronomical and kids are getting saddled with stupid levels of debt even before they begin their professional careers.

My lad's now looking at options in Berlin and Munich instead of staying in the UK for this very reason and to ward off the prospect of him having to leave the country, which he is OK with but would prefer not to, I'm going to have to stump up another chunk of cash. This is fine really. He's my only real responsibility these days, but I too will feel pretty resentful if the fees are not looked at carefully should these closures be widespread. I'm not even sure how that works for many degrees to be honest. Hopefully for him, yourself and all the other lads on here at Uni, the right and fair calls will be made.

 

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5 hours ago, Andicis said:

Absolutely crazy that Cambridge is making a decision this early, I'm going to be so annoyed if my Uni makes the same decision, guarantee they won't lower tuition fees...

I am pretty ignorant on this and don't know the answer but is it because Cambridge has a particularly high number of students from all over the world? 

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10 hours ago, A Ram for All Seasons said:

Cafes in Germany have just opened again too. Before you sit down, you have to enter your name, address and phone number in a list which is sent to the local health authority. If anybody sat at the same table comes down with Coronavirus you will be sent into quarantine for 14 days. Best not bother, too much hassle.

I hope the cafes have a good data protection policy and P.I cover.

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How can someone die of covid19 in a care home, but not be considered ill enough to be admitted to hospital?

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7 hours ago, Andicis said:

Absolutely crazy that Cambridge is making a decision this early, I'm going to be so annoyed if my Uni makes the same decision, guarantee they won't lower tuition fees...

At least students shouldn’t have accommodation to find and pay for (that’s going to be quite damaging to local renters).
 

Presumably, universities will justify their fees by saying they’re still providing the same amount of tuition etc, but it will all be online, and they still have to employ the professor and lecturers and maintain their buildings. I’m not saying they should continue to charge the same just that I can see how they may argue.

I guess certain courses lend themselves relatively well to online learning but, it does sound a little premature to be writing off the whole of the next academic year.

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1 hour ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said:

As regards the costs, there is no way that Uni's can justify maintaining the current fee structure.

They need the money to continue to pay vast salaries to vice-chancellors while keeping their academic staff on an endless cycle of temporary contracts. Vice-chancellors have to be able to afford to send their kids to university too, you know.

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30 minutes ago, A Ram for All Seasons said:

They need the money to continue to pay vast salaries to vice-chancellors while keeping their academic staff on an endless cycle of temporary contracts. Vice-chancellors have to be able to afford to send their kids to university too, you know.

Vice-Chancellors don't have kids buddy. They are too busy throwing wild parties and drinking 30 year old McCallan for such trifles 😛

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We follow the American model for university cities and their economies. Places like Coventry, lose a third of their population in the summer. 

Our economy relies on the loans and their spending to keep cities like Covernty surviving. 

A deep recession will last for a long time if universities don't open up properly. 

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Leicester de Montfort are doing online lectures until Christmas then reviewing it.

Bolton Uni are trying masks and distancing, but a 300 seat theatre can only seat 18 students using the 2 metre rule.

Looks like its going to be very patchy across the country with individual Uni's making their own decisions.

 

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I'd have been quite happy with online lectures provide they are interactive. It was a hassle getting in by car, with almost no available parking. Attendance was patchy, so that in the end the lecturers lost interest. 

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Trouble with this is that rightly or wrongly a lot of people will go to university for the experience, and I found the experience of living away from home and looking after myself probably more valuable in the long run than the course itself, not to mention the social aspect and the interacting with people from many different cultures. It’s an awful lot to be missing out on if remote studying becomes the norm and I suspect numbers would go down as a result, so universities may not be able to reduce their fees, although in my opinion they should really be able to find some rainy day funds given what they charge.

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3 hours ago, Tamworthram said:

At least students shouldn’t have accommodation to find and pay for (that’s going to be quite damaging to local renters).
 

Presumably, universities will justify their fees by saying they’re still providing the same amount of tuition etc, but it will all be online, and they still have to employ the professor and lecturers and maintain their buildings. I’m not saying they should continue to charge the same just that I can see how they may argue.

I guess certain courses lend themselves relatively well to online learning but, it does sound a little premature to be writing off the whole of the next academic year.

The problem is, many students have already found and got accommodation for next year, the first years might not go for a place in halls but it's too late for many students.  They will probably argue that, but I've found online teaching much much worse than going in, and I'd expect a hefty discount if they were to do online learning at my uni for my final year. 

 

4 hours ago, Anag Ram said:

I am pretty ignorant on this and don't know the answer but is it because Cambridge has a particularly high number of students from all over the world? 

All uni's have a lot of students from all over the world these days.

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