RamNut Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: Certainly doesn't sound essential to me. My parents live 4 miles away but I'm not going to put them at risk by turning up there. Not while we can speak on the phone, send texts/emails daily and video-call once a week. I get that it's hard, but we're all in the same boat and have to do whatever it takes to make this end You’re probably right, but I’m on day 12 of self isolating without symptoms, and she’d probably say she is permanently self-isolating. I’m tempted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FindernRam Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 We are told to wash our hands and not to touch our faces as that is how it enters the body, Is there some reason we should not wash or sanitise our faces (after our hands obviously)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, FindernRam said: We are told to wash our hands and not to touch our faces as that is how it enters the body, Is there some reason we should not wash or sanitise our faces (after our hands obviously)? No. soap destroys the outer fatty layer of the virus so that it can’t attach itself and disintegrates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexxxxx Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Nearly 400 yesterday now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 7 minutes ago, RamNut said: You’re probably right, but I’m on day 12 of self isolating without symptoms, and she’d probably say she is permanently self-isolating. I’m tempted. Don't be. For her sake as much as anything else. Unless you're proposing to self isolate completely it's not worth the risk. As @SchtivePesley says, there are other ways to check and speak to her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 9 minutes ago, RamNut said: You’re probably right, but I’m on day 12 of self isolating without symptoms, and she’d probably say she is permanently self-isolating. I’m tempted. You raise a good point. Our neighbours have kids in the same school/class as us. The kids are at home and all 4 of us parents are working at home None of us have had any direct social contact with anyone. Once the 2 weeks are up ,then in theory if we all remain symptomless, could we go round to each others houses? The risk is probably very low, but then is it a risk worth taking? We've all been to the shops for essentials - and tried to remain safely distanced, washed our hands before/after etc. It still feels like a non-essential risk to take Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, alexxxxx said: Nearly 400 yesterday now. Yesterday's figures were boosted (although I suspect not by a significant figure) by those that have lost their lives outside of hospital. Up until now, they have only counted hospital deaths so, this a more accurate figure. As everyone keeps telling us, it's going to get worse still before it starts to get better or even levels off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Tamworthram said: Don't be. For her sake as much as anything else. Unless you're proposing to self isolate completely it's not worth the risk. As @SchtivePesley says, there are other ways to check and speak to her. Will be interesting to see what happens soon when everyone has been isolating for 2 or 3 weeks. People will want to go and visit friends and family, and realistically, this will be very low risk if walking/travelling by car. Are these more draconian measures with a view of what might be happening in the short-term future? Could be tough to tell people they can't visit others when both parties have been isolated for a fortnight, especially when everyone was allowed to the pub a couple of weeks back when the virus was clearly spreading everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said: Will be interesting to see what happens soon when everyone has been isolating for 2 or 3 weeks. People will want to go and visit friends and family, and realistically, this will be very low risk if walking/travelling by car. Are these more draconian measures with a view of what might be happening in the short-term future? Could be tough to tell people they can't visit others when both parties have been isolated for a fortnight, especially when everyone was allowed to the pub a couple of weeks back when the virus was clearly spreading everywhere. Italy seems to be a good benchmark. Just over 4 weeks in lockdown, with another 2 already approved, and an expectation that the Government might extend by another 2 after that. Really can’t see us being much different to them in time periods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 9 minutes ago, Tamworthram said: Yesterday's figures were boosted (although I suspect not by a significant figure) by those that have lost their lives outside of hospital. Up until now, they have only counted hospital deaths so, this a more accurate figure. As everyone keeps telling us, it's going to get worse still before it starts to get better or even levels off. I give up. I don’t understand the stats now. Does this mean that they have been under estimating the deaths every day or is this a mopping up exercise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, RamNut said: I give up. I don’t understand the stats now. Does this mean that they have been under estimating the deaths every day or is this a mopping up exercise? Well, they're not estimates they're actual. As I understand it, up until now, the number has only been those that have died in hospital. From now on, it will be anyone. I haven't heard it said that today's figure includes any back dating. Just to confuse the issue even more, the comment that today's numbers will also include deaths outside of hospitals was on BBC radio this morning but, someone on the BBC coronavirus update (on TV now) has said it only includes deaths in hospitals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 26 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said: Will be interesting to see what happens soon when everyone has been isolating for 2 or 3 weeks. People will want to go and visit friends and family, and realistically, this will be very low risk if walking/travelling by car. Are these more draconian measures with a view of what might be happening in the short-term future? Could be tough to tell people they can't visit others when both parties have been isolated for a fortnight, especially when everyone was allowed to the pub a couple of weeks back when the virus was clearly spreading everywhere. Tough message but necessary. It just isn't worth taking the risk however low it might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Very interesting article written by Toby Young generating a lot of hate on twitter right now.... https://thecritic.co.uk/has-the-government-over-reacted-to-the-coronavirus-crisis/ In short he puts a monetary value on saving people with CV now, compares it to the figure that the NHS uses when it decides what new drugs and proceedures to fund and compares that to the fact that any resulting long term economic hardship will in all likelihood lead to a far greater number of deaths than CV will take. Not sure I entirely agree but its an interesting side debate non-the-less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob The Badger Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 5 hours ago, maxjam said: 'Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely' watch from 55s I think it's worth watching from the start, because somebody like myself - an ex-pat out of the loop - needed to see the balance. Very moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted March 31, 2020 Author Share Posted March 31, 2020 14 minutes ago, maxjam said: Very interesting article written by Toby Young generating a lot of hate on twitter right now.... https://thecritic.co.uk/has-the-government-over-reacted-to-the-coronavirus-crisis/ In short he puts a monetary value on saving people with CV now, compares it to the figure that the NHS uses when it decides what new drugs and proceedures to fund and compares that to the fact that any resulting long term economic hardship will in all likelihood lead to a far greater number of deaths than CV will take. Not sure I entirely agree but its an interesting side debate non-the-less. This is a typical piece of Young BS journalism. The cretin is a total bamford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoetheRam Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Mortgage market now frozen. F'in great timing that is. Potentially facing the prospect of losing the house we've had reserved for the last 4 months. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Seriously ? https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/local-news/windows-smashed-after-tyres-slashed-4004363 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Seen a report that any staff working in nhs whose visa s are expiring with have them automatically extended ,,,,,,,,any risking their lives in our hospitals to save lives should be granted automatic citizenship if they want it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norman Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Archied said: Seen a report that any staff working in nhs whose visa s are expiring with have them automatically extended ,,,,,,,,any risking their lives in our hospitals to save lives should be granted automatic citizenship if they want it 100% this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaltRam Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 22 minutes ago, Paul71 said: Seriously ? https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/local-news/windows-smashed-after-tyres-slashed-4004363 Find 'em, peel 'em, dip 'em in salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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