Chester40 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 https://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/18344687.six-summonsed-breaches-coronavirus-legislation/ Really worrying and not that far from me. People summonsed to court for driving in their car, and for having more than one person in a household going to the shops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Chester40 said: https://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/18344687.six-summonsed-breaches-coronavirus-legislation/ Really worrying and not that far from me. People summonsed to court for driving in their car, and for having more than one person in a household going to the shops. Makes sense I guess. People like Clarkson saying you are safe in a car, I bet if someone he is close to has Covid-19 and needs an ambulance and there is a delay because of an accident during an unnecessary journey elsewhere, or even an ambulance delay because its dealing with someone who took a journey because of boredom his attitude to it may change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester40 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 21 minutes ago, Paul71 said: Makes sense I guess. People like Clarkson saying you are safe in a car, I bet if someone he is close to has Covid-19 and needs an ambulance and there is a delay because of an accident during an unnecessary journey elsewhere, or even an ambulance delay because its dealing with someone who took a journey because of boredom his attitude to it may change. I think the world is going mad. So I could (very easily) go to work today and put myself at risk because I am ordered to. On the way home, I pick my child up from school where they are being put at risk all day.... As we carry on the journey home, I could say 'as a treat for being in school all day whilst everyone you know is at home, let's just stop at the shop and get you a bar of chocolate'. I would then drive a min or two out of my way to get him a bar of chocolate......and be committing 2 offences that could end up with a court summons????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 13 minutes ago, Chester40 said: I think the world is going mad. So I could (very easily) go to work today and put myself at risk because I am ordered to. On the way home, I pick my child up from school where they are being put at risk all day.... As we carry on the journey home, I could say 'as a treat for being in school all day whilst everyone you know is at home, let's just stop at the shop and get you a bar of chocolate'. I would then drive a min or two out of my way to get him a bar of chocolate......and be committing 2 offences that could end up with a court summons????? I have no idea if that would be classed as an offence, to me it would seem not but i cant say. That is clearly different from going out for a drive because you are bored or to go to a party though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 13 minutes ago, Chester40 said: I think the world is going mad. So I could (very easily) go to work today and put myself at risk because I am ordered to. On the way home, I pick my child up from school where they are being put at risk all day.... As we carry on the journey home, I could say 'as a treat for being in school all day whilst everyone you know is at home, let's just stop at the shop and get you a bar of chocolate'. I would then drive a min or two out of my way to get him a bar of chocolate......and be committing 2 offences that could end up with a court summons????? Yes. Because neither the journey nor the shopping are essential. If a million people all did the same, because what's the harm?, the social distancing attempt breaks down. If it isn't enforced, it's not worth trying. Simpler to say - no exceptions, no "I was just doing x". No non-essential trips out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, Chester40 said: I think the world is going mad. So I could (very easily) go to work today and put myself at risk because I am ordered to. On the way home, I pick my child up from school where they are being put at risk all day.... As we carry on the journey home, I could say 'as a treat for being in school all day whilst everyone you know is at home, let's just stop at the shop and get you a bar of chocolate'. I would then drive a min or two out of my way to get him a bar of chocolate......and be committing 2 offences that could end up with a court summons????? I know some police forces are being a little heavy handed (there is probably a little more to some of these stories than meets the eye. For example, how many were in the car and what non essential items were they buying) but, I think your scenario is a little extreme and unlikely to result in a summons. For example, one of your “offences” - driving a minute or two out of your way - I don’t think would qualify as an unnecessary journey as you’re already out and it’s pretty much on our way home. You’re not exactly driving 100 miles extra via Snowdonia. With regard to putting yourself at risk by going to work,this isn’t really relevant (to the scenario you describe) as it’s about reducing the risk as much as possible. Using the same argument you could wonder why you can’t have friends round for a meal as you’re far more at risk going to work: Reduce the risk as much as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester40 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, GboroRam said: Yes. Because neither the journey nor the shopping are essential. If a million people all did the same, because what's the harm?, the social distancing attempt breaks down. If it isn't enforced, it's not worth trying. Simpler to say - no exceptions, no "I was just doing x". No non-essential trips out. I respect you at least for sticking to your guns. But IMO it's totally bonkers, common sense out of the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Chester40 said: https://www.chesterstandard.co.uk/news/18344687.six-summonsed-breaches-coronavirus-legislation/ Really worrying and not that far from me. People summonsed to court for driving in their car, and for having more than one person in a household going to the shops. There is an article on Sky that warns of the dangers of police being over zealous (I read it last night but it has been toned down and republished this morning) https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-11966028 My own opinion is that you have to have blanket guidelines but enforce them with common sense. For example, if you live in a city and thousands of people are wanting to use a park for exercise, use it once per day. If you live out in the sticks, your dog wants two walks a day and you can safely go out keeping 100s of yards between you and others you don't need to be surveilled by drones and criminalized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Chester40 said: I respect you at least for sticking to your guns. But IMO it's totally bonkers, common sense out of the window. In your example I doubt you'd be in any trouble because we aren't policed USA style. But it does show that we need to work to ensure these measures work, by trying hard to follow them. For example I've bought a jet washer and a lawnmower, and will click and collect from Sainsbury's. I will pick up some shopping at the same time - it won't be truly essential, but I will be getting essential things (just I'm not desperate for them today). The police could challenge me, but I suspect they will say as it's all in the same shop and I was buying groceries, no harm done. But if I wasn't going to Sainsbury's, but was picking up from some other location which doesn't sell groceries, I would expect to be challenged if caught. And rightly so. Limit your exposure to other people. One statistic that made me think, there's 9000 CV-19 infected people in English hospitals today. There's only been 22000 positive tests in the UK. Take off Scotland, Wales and NI cases, then take of those discharged, then take off those who died, how many people in the 22000 are still carrying the illness in England? I reckon you're more than 50/50 to end up in hospital if you catch this. Why would you go out if you don't need to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, maxjam said: There is an article on Sky that warns of the dangers of police being over zealous (I read it last night but it has been toned down and republished this morning) https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-11966028 My own opinion is that you have to have blanket guidelines but enforce them with common sense. For example, if you live in a city and thousands of people are wanting to use a park for exercise, use it once per day. If you live out in the sticks, your dog wants two walks a day and you can safely go out keeping 100s of yards between you and others you don't need to be surveilled by drones and criminalized. I read something recently which explained it like this: we are policed by consent in the UK, which means that the police accept they need our help in protecting the public (there's not enough of them to do it if we actively refused to allow it). So, they basically are on the lookout for people who are acting like Bamfords. If you are acting like a Bamford, he'll run through his mental rolodex to find a law you're flouting, and nick you. If you aren't acting like a Bamford, he'll probably let it slide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Lets face it the media will always sensationalise stories anyway, if 3 people get stopped by the police they can make it sound like hundreds of thousands are up and down the country. I agree that common sense can surely apply. Who is going to count how many times you have taken the dog out? If one of those is at 6.00am and one at 8.00pm its not an issue. If one is at 11.00am, and on the way you stop for a chin wag with a few different people, then repeat it again at 3.00pm then thats different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 15 minutes ago, GboroRam said: I read something recently which explained it like this: we are policed by consent in the UK, which means that the police accept they need our help in protecting the public (there's not enough of them to do it if we actively refused to allow it). So, they basically are on the lookout for people who are acting like Bamfords. If you are acting like a Bamford, he'll run through his mental rolodex to find a law you're flouting, and nick you. If you aren't acting like a Bamford, he'll probably let it slide. I think on the whole thats pretty accurate. The police do a very good job under difficult conditions. You always have to be wary of the over zealous ones that are drawn to the police force cos they enjoy a bit of power but by and large we have a pretty good police force in the UK. I can understand them clamping down in the first few days of the lockdown to get the message across but there were half a dozen or so minor incidents that I read about that really didn't need highlighting. The police need to find the balance between enforcing the guidelines and retaining the publics good will. Furthermore its easy for me to tell others to stay inside and only go out if absolutely necessary but I have a very good family life, nice house and big secluded back garden. Some people live in cramped, noisy flats with children, dogs, etc. Is 2 walks a day really the end of the world when it could be saving someones sanity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester40 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, GboroRam said: I read something recently which explained it like this: we are policed by consent in the UK, which means that the police accept they need our help in protecting the public (there's not enough of them to do it if we actively refused to allow it). So, they basically are on the lookout for people who are acting like Bamfords. If you are acting like a Bamford, he'll run through his mental rolodex to find a law you're flouting, and nick you. If you aren't acting like a Bamford, he'll probably let it slide. You hope.... I'm not sure that's always true. The example of going out of your way and buying garden equipment is an interesting example, that I think is totally unnecessary really.. ? I am generally no 'Swampy' hugging trees and moaning about free will. I would also add I don't really care about being exposed to risk as part of my job. But I have colleagues with underlying health issues that aren't deemed 'severe' that are very worried about the plan to redeploy them to support the Council and being made to accept risk, or look very bad..and potentially lose their job in the future. I find myself in the weird position where I am kinda mostly unaffected but am becoming increasingly angered by huge hypocrisy, massive power in the hands of those incapable of wielding it and worrying decisions being forced upon society which are roundly applauded by and large without question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 For all the criticism of insufficient preparation whoever has been planning the new hospitals deserves some credit. The nightingale London could end up being the biggest hospital in the world. Not something to celebrate really, but still. Where do you suddenly find thousands of beds & equipment?. They must have been mothballed somewhere in readiness for something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 7 minutes ago, Chester40 said: I find myself in the weird position where I am kinda mostly unaffected but am becoming increasingly angered by huge hypocrisy, massive power in the hands of those incapable of wielding it and worrying decisions being forced upon society which are roundly applauded by and large without question. Kinda agree tbh. I think whilst were in the midst of the pandemic the majority of people will happily go along with the guidelines. The test will come when life slowly starts to return to normal - will governments relinquish all of their power and control and not use certain benefits of the lockdown to keep some restrictions in place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Chester40 said: You hope.... I'm not sure that's always true. The example of going out of your way and buying garden equipment is an interesting example, that I think is totally unnecessary really.. ? I am generally no 'Swampy' hugging trees and moaning about free will. I would also add I don't really care about being exposed to risk as part of my job. But I have colleagues with underlying health issues that aren't deemed 'severe' that are very worried about the plan to redeploy them to support the Council and being made to accept risk, or look very bad..and potentially lose their job in the future. I find myself in the weird position where I am kinda mostly unaffected but am becoming increasingly angered by huge hypocrisy, massive power in the hands of those incapable of wielding it and worrying decisions being forced upon society which are roundly applauded by and large without question. Police do sometimes get overly aggressive. It's a career that will attract people who enjoy the power trip and want to be Bamfords themselves. It also will be hard, as it's a career that will isolate from the general public (they end up socialising together, and working in an environment surrounded by Bamfords I guess you start to think everyone is the same). I fully agree with your comment about buying gardening equipment, it is uncalled for. But I'm in a permitted place, doing permitted things. At the same time I'll pick up two boxes. By the letter of the law maybe I'm breaking the law. But I'm not being a Bamford. People going for a drive to pick up non-essentials is the next level up, causing more problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 On 29/03/2020 at 12:46, uttoxram75 said: The Elkes family had just sold it to Adams Foods when I started mate. I bet the Adams family treated you like one of their own didn’t they mate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePrisoner Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 11 minutes ago, Boycie said: I bet the Adams family treated you like one of their own didn’t they mate? Bet he won’t reply. Probably just let it fester for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stagtime Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Bit of a mask shortage over here but have come up with a alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 10 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: Makes exceedingly good cakes though. Anyone remember that Not the Nine o’clock news sketch ? .. with “and after all Mr Kipling does have exceedingly big factories” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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