Zag zig Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Chester40 said: Whilst potentially forming part of the same mindset, the difference in what was actually said is pretty different. Yeah I know. Basically as much as I don’t like Ramage as a pundit I’m actually wondering if he mean’t to say back players, only because he’d been ranting about Lowe and Bogle. However, he rabbits on that fast without thinking who knows, inexcusable either way. He only had to pause, breathe and be a bit more eloquent; trouble is he just rambles on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC Ram Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 RD still showing the photo of Ramage on their webpage 18:30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 For those who said he has misspoken, why would he bring up their race in a slip of the tongue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCFC Ram Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Just now, Zag zig said: Yeah I know. Basically as much as I don’t like Ramage as a pundit I’m actually wondering if he mean’t to say back players, only because he’d been ranting about Lowe and Bogle. However, he rabbits on that fast without thinking who knows, inexcusable either way. He only had to pause, breathe and be a bit more eloquent; trouble is he just rambles on. nope - what he said was what he said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chester40 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, rammieib said: The irony being that DCFC cannot really say what they believe should happen to Ramage punishment wise given they don’t believe that drink driving, causing a road traffic accident and leaving the scene of a RTA warrants a dismissal! That's a very interesting point. Do people calling for him to be sacked believe it is a worse offence than what eg Tom Lawrence - who has been praised for turning things around - did? I never listen to RD, so don't care that much but if he says the right things now I think he deserves a second chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, DCFC Ram said: RD still showing the photo of Ramage on their webpage 18:30. Why wouldn't they? He is still an employee and remains as such until any internal investigations and potential disciplinary are undertaken accordingly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilkoRam Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: It's about judging people before you know all the facts. Interested to know what facts you expect to be found which make the comments ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: The club have distanced themselves from the comments but have had the common sense unlike some posters on here not to advocate what the outcome should be and leave that to the BBC to deal with as part of their internal processes We aren’t a professional body. We are just a group of people offering thoughts and opinions, like anyone would with a group of pals down the pub or sat at the match. Seems a little redundant being on a forum without offering opinion and reasoning behind your opinions. To my knowledge, no one in this thread has abused anyone or not backed themselves up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 22 minutes ago, LeedsCityRam said: Eh? Ramage has singled out players of colour whilst criticising a disappointing display. What on earth would Michael Johnson have to apologise for? And why the mention of Jason Roberts? Because he refuses to normalise casual racism by turning the other cheek & staying quiet? No he hasnt singled them out for the disappointing display. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, DRBee said: You need to listen to more of the interview - he was criticising them but dressing it up as encouragement for the future. Then add the selection of a single group by colour ...... Yep listened to the interview. But trying to make out he singled out black players is not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Just now, Srg said: We aren’t a professional body. We are just a group of people offering thoughts and opinions, like anyone would with a group of pals down the pub or sat at the match. Seems a little redundant being on a forum without offering opinion and reasoning behind your opinions. To my knowledge, no one in this thread has abused anyone or not backed themselves up. I genuinely didn't incinuate that anyone on here had abused anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uptherams Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 3 hours ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said: Whether such comments are racially motivated or not, you simply can't be making these kinds of distinctions and expecting folk to think it's fine to do so. If this really needs explaining to Ramage then he has no business being in a broadcasting role. Frankly, if a full and unreserved apology is not made very quickly, then I really feel he should be out of a job. The fact he has failed to apologise already hardly stands him in good stead. Good points. I hope he's just been silly and chose his word's poorly. People can often say something that was not intended and it can detract from so called fans that are giving players abuse, no if's or buts. Let's not become a mob, let's not be rash and ruin people's lives. Lowe and Bogle have the opportunity to show him that they are in fact mature and rational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Well done Max I am always bemused by the need to discuss someone’s colour or gender or anything when relating to something as basic as how did he/she play .. it’s really is bizarre. I see athletes, tall short, fat, thin, black, white. All the same. Why would he distinguish on colour ? weirdly I didn’t feel the same anger when Ron Atkinson messed up. He was talking about one player that he knew, he might as well have said big eared or fat .. to him, I always felt it was just the same, it wasn’t prejudice it was just insensitive and ill educated . This one however is a different thing .. it’s making a grouping and a judgement of a group based on skin colour, it’s as primitive as it’s wrong. It isn’t just an insult to an individual it’s that ugly classification thing that in my book racist. No excuse ! Whoever said it needs to eat some serious humble pie, apologise sincerely but above all ... learn ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Just now, Tyler Durden said: I genuinely didn't incinuate that anyone on here had abused anyone. Not saying you did, I’m just making the point that offering opinions, solutions, outcomes etc is essentially what we are here for - within reason and without libel, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldstar Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Zag zig said: Yeah I know. Basically as much as I don’t like Ramage as a pundit I’m actually wondering if he mean’t to say back players, only because he’d been ranting about Lowe and Bogle. However, he rabbits on that fast without thinking who knows, inexcusable either way. He only had to pause, breathe and be a bit more eloquent; trouble is he just rambles on. Could be on to something there. He didnt even flinch or pause after he said it, and even hard core racists i imagine would know what they could get away with live on radio. Add Malone in the infamous video plus Keoghs behaviour he may well be lumping that in with Bogle and Lowe's apparent attitude and bam the most obvious thing to him that links them apart from their positions is their skin colour, which is one letter away from the word he meant to say. He does use wrong words a lot. Bit of a reach but possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zag zig Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, DCFC Ram said: nope - what he said was what he said. Yeah I know what he said, I just wonder if he tries to defend it by saying he spoke the wrong word. Again, I repeat inexcusable. All a question of what R.D do about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 We've probably racked up more club statements this season than we did points last time we were in the Prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rammieib Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, goldstar said: Could be on to something there. He didnt even flinch or pause after he said it, and even hard core racists i imagine would know what they could get away with live on radio. Add Malone in the infamous video plus Keoghs behaviour he may well be lumping that in with Bogle and Lowe's apparent attitude and bam the most obvious thing to him that links them apart from their positions is their skin colour, which is one letter away from the word he meant to say. He does use wrong words a lot. Bit of a reach but possible. I think trying to say the word back was what he meant to say is like saying someone hacked into your Instagram account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilkoRam Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Zag zig said: Yeah I know. Basically as much as I don’t like Ramage as a pundit I’m actually wondering if he mean’t to say back players, only because he’d been ranting about Lowe and Bogle. However, he rabbits on that fast without thinking who knows, inexcusable either way. He only had to pause, breathe and be a bit more eloquent; trouble is he just rambles on. No way. “Young back players”? I can’t recall him describing defenders as “back players” ever so seems unlikely. look he should not have said it, whether he has wider views of people of colour or just meant Bogle and Lowe and was using it as a description. It’s not acceptable and has repercussions. I think he needs to be taken out of the situation for everyone’s sake. There has to be a stance taken that the language and insinuation are not acceptable. He also needs to be removed for himself so there isn’t a hounding on social media etc. there should be a wider bit in terms of educating Ramage and establishing what he meant. People need educating about this if they hold such views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Yep listened to the interview. But trying to make out he singled out black players is not true. Why mention their colour then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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