Jourdan Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 I am not sure what Cocu is trying to achieve with Bogle. Dropping him and then publicly criticising him doesn’t seem like it will help matters. As much as I am not a fan of Lampard for how he left, his man management of young players and rapport with them certainly made a positive difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Just now, Jourdan said: I am not sure what Cocu is trying to achieve with Bogle. Dropping him and then publicly criticising him doesn’t seem like it will help matters. As much as I am not a fan of Lampard for how he left, his man management of young players and rapport with them certainly made a positive difference. At the time yes. But it doesn't seem to have lead to permanent improvement for some reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 31 minutes ago, Andicis said: We're nowhere near as good without Duane Holmes, he's a vital part of the team. When we first signed him Lampard said he would be an important player for Derby, after seeing him initially play out wide and look lightweight and lost I wasn't so sure. It turns out Frank Lampard knows more about football than I do, who'd have thought it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nottingram Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jourdan said: I am not sure what Cocu is trying to achieve with Bogle. Dropping him and then publicly criticising him doesn’t seem like it will help matters. As much as I am not a fan of Lampard for how he left, his man management of young players and rapport with them certainly made a positive difference. Should he keep him in despite the mistakes and tell him all will be okay? If he’s not listening to him privately what does he do? Just keep allowing it to happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambalin Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jourdan said: I am not sure what Cocu is trying to achieve with Bogle. Dropping him and then publicly criticising him doesn’t seem like it will help matters. As much as I am not a fan of Lampard for how he left, his man management of young players and rapport with them certainly made a positive difference. I think the telling part in the interview was the suggestion that he is not listening to what he is being told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DcFc Dyycheee Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Max Bird was enjoyable to watch again. Need to build the team around him. Didn't get bringing Shinnie on for Holmes. Playing it too safe in my opinion. Surely you get Knight on and move Lawrence central. Go for it a bit. Allows Rooney to stay deeper. Poor from Bogle. Can't be doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, nottingram said: Should he keep him in despite the mistakes and tell him all will be okay? If he’s not listening to him privately what does he do? Just keep allowing it to happen? I think the comment was about the publically criticising bit which I thought was totally unacceptable when Nigel Clough used to exhibit the same behaviour especially in the heat of a post match interview Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IslandExile Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, Jourdan said: As much as I am not a fan of Lampard for how he left, his man management of young players and rapport with them certainly made a positive difference. Whereas Cocu and Bird, Lowe, Knight.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Ok result not sure what it tells us that we don't already know that we need a new GK, that Rooney cannot play in an advanced position effectively, that we cannot keep a clean sheet to save our lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripperg-ram Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 My first game of the season. Just got home... Heres my thoughts: we were pretty insipid. Wisdom had their no 7 in his pocket all game. We are so flat and lacking penetration at times. Lawrence is a confidence player. Why do we always play it out from and across the back with no real idea of what to do with it? We weren’t bad. We weren’t good either. Just kinda nothing. Huddersfield just shut us down but we clearly had enough skill to undo that if we ran off the ball and created some impetus...but we didn’t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 45 minutes ago, Srg said: Wisdom was injured. He’d sat down on the pitch. I saw. Seem to walk off it fine, didn’t look in any sort of pain, discomfort or anything to suggest he had done himself an injury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Roos - won us a point with a fantastic save - shame they got one at the near post for his critics to feed on wisdom - played well and we missed him when he went off injured Davies - we needed his height today clarke - did ok forsyth - defended properly bird - ok Rooney - ok Holmes - we missed his pace when He went off injured Martin - very little to work with Waghorn - he does get that golden chance every game - didn’t score it Lawrence - missing in the first half great goal in the 2nd half subs Shinnie - busy Marriott - given a decent amount of time to get involved but didn’t Bogle - lost his place due to poor defending and sadly showed some more - but he’s still a young lad - learn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruud Aralliss Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 58 minutes ago, Big Trav said: His header was weak but there’s not much more he can do. He can’t control because then he’s pressed hard he can’t leave it otherwise the man gets the cross in. It’s Davies and Roos fault imo Davies for not making a challenge and Roos for doing a Roos. Bogle can’t tackle him because the man will dive and get the pen He can’t head it out for a throw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bald Eagle's Barmy Army Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Bogle is more about his appearance than football. Unfortunately he’s let fame go to his head. He’s going backwards IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambalin Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said: I saw. Seem to walk off it fine, didn’t look in any sort of pain, discomfort or anything to suggest he had done himself an injury Tight hamstring getting worse according too the managers interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtoileSportiveDeDerby Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, Jourdan said: I am not sure what Cocu is trying to achieve with Bogle. Dropping him and then publicly criticising him doesn’t seem like it will help matters. As much as I am not a fan of Lampard for how he left, his man management of young players and rapport with them certainly made a positive difference. I thought PC was spot on, concentrate and defend, he is the RB. When there is an opportunity and cover from midfield, attack. He said that the coaches are trying to show him what is expected of his postion. If he gets it he will be some player. As a converted winger he can go forward just need a few tweaks defending. Last year he played with one of the best LB ever, also a converted winger, he could do both attack and defend. Lets hope he picked up a few tips from Ashley Cole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, Stripperg-ram said: My first game of the season. Just got home... Heres my thoughts: we were pretty insipid. Wisdom had their no 7 in his pocket all game. We are so flat and lacking penetration at times. Lawrence is a confidence player. Why do we always play it out from and across the back with no real idea of what to do with it? We weren’t bad. We weren’t good either. Just kinda nothing. Huddersfield just shut us down but we clearly had enough skill to undo that if we ran off the ball and created some impetus...but we didn’t This is a great summary. I'd add that without Holmes we were lacking in dynamism but Knight might have offered us that. The ref hated us but the crowd weren't on his back enough to let him know because the atmosphere was so flat, on and off the pitch. More urgency and drive from the players badly needed. More energy. I am sorry that by this point in the season we haven't properly integrated Sibley into the team. He needs minutes on the first team pitch to maintain his progression and would give us a genuine other goal threat from midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIMBAUD Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 24 minutes ago, Jourdan said: I am not sure what Cocu is trying to achieve with Bogle. Dropping him and then publicly criticising him doesn’t seem like it will help matters. As much as I am not a fan of Lampard for how he left, his man management of young players and rapport with them certainly made a positive difference. Perhaps he didn't the way bogle did not accept responsibility for the goal. Not sure why he thought it was ok to have a pop at waggy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 16 minutes ago, nottingram said: Should he keep him in despite the mistakes and tell him all will be okay? If he’s not listening to him privately what does he do? Just keep allowing it to happen? Why not? The psychology of every player is different. Considering Bogle is 19 and only in his second full season of professional football, maybe he does still need some taking care of and reassuring? I know I would feel better if I was able to play my way back into form. He is still a teenager and you can’t expect a teenager to react to a style of management in the same way a seasoned professional would. And that’s not to say that Cocu’s man management of young players in general is poor. Who knows? He could be fantastic behind closed doors. But maybe Bogle is the one where he needs to be more mindful of his approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted February 15, 2020 Share Posted February 15, 2020 Love to hear some actual footballing reasoning by those that have added the laughter reaction to my statement that wisdom is a better defender than bogle he is , plain and simple bogle is hugely talented and will play in the top flight probably not with us but at times this year defensively he has been a liability with and without the ball. plain and simple he hasn’t improved on last year fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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