Mafiabob Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Am I allowed to say we miss Keogh..... Im pretty sure we had much better discipline and a better defence when he around. Keogh haters, dress your hate and vitriol up as much as you want..... he was the best defender we had at this club for the last decade..... and leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Best defender yes. Best leader? Lol! We've got the ex England captain playing that role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, Boycie said: Best defender yes. Best leader? Lol! We've got the ex England captain playing that role. Surely he’ll be diving in and trying to protect the young ones in that team..... because believe me we lost discipline on a large scale tonight, and our current leader was in the refs ear all night, and booked where Lowe was sent off..... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mafiabob said: Surely he’ll be diving in and trying to protect the young ones in that team..... because believe me we lost discipline on a large scale tonight, and our current leader was in the refs ear all night, and booked where Lowe was sent off..... lol That ref though, the EFL has started taking the points off us already. If the captain can’t argue the point To the ref on behalf of the team who can? But you would stick up for the refs wouldn’t you? At least some fans are happy tonight. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 1 minute ago, Boycie said: That ref though, the EFL has started taking the points off us already. If the captain can’t argue the point To the ref on behalf of the team who can? But you would stick up for the refs wouldn’t you? At least some fans are happy tonight. ? Ref was absolutely fine..... pretty much bang on all game. I will stick up for refs when I know they’ve done right and point out when they’ve got it wrong. Im far from happy as well..... So I don’t really understand the relevance of this post..... other than to reel me in ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 He was shocking mate, we had one free kick all first half I think. Don’t take my word for it, ask Wazza if you see him at Pride Park next time. He’s well more qualified than me to give you a considered opinion. You started the thread mate, no need to get reeled in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yani P Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Keogh was never a leader.. Might As well get Gary Glitter in.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Lack of a leader? No, we’ve got Wayne Rooney for that. Legend of the game and a coach to top it off. There can’t be anyone more suitable. Lack of a quality, experienced centre half to organise a defence though? Now that’s a different story, and we’re definitely missing that. Keogh was a top class player at this level, and our current centre halves, while decent players themselves, are not at that level. There’s a massive lack of any organisation too, which is what comes with such an inexperienced backline. We remain in desperate need of a signing here imo. It has to be top priority over everything else. It’s vital for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 It's not so much what you've lost, it's what you're left with. Like being dumped by your girlfriend and finding a crusty sock down the side of your bed. We still had numerous shambolic defensive performances and catastrophic collapses with no apparent leader in sight when we had Keogh, but you'd take that once in a while over having to use Forsyth & Wisdom as CBs. (Maybe a bit unfair on Wisdom) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 I'm bit uncomfortable with the idea that I'm agreeing with @Mafiabob but seems like I am! Good/shame on you! IMO team needs a leader in every line. GK, CB, DM and if possible, up front as well. Curtis would do a work at the back and I think we miss him at the moment. Rooney I'd fine in the middle and there's not really other options. Up front... well, we could do with someone with balls, nevermind leadership. IMO maybe the biggest problem at the moment with the lack of creativity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 10 hours ago, Boycie said: That ref though, the EFL has started taking the points off us already. If the captain can’t argue the point To the ref on behalf of the team who can? But you would stick up for the refs wouldn’t you? At least some fans are happy tonight. ? Some people are really suffering from paranoia regarding the EFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turnstile Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 10 hours ago, Mafiabob said: Am I allowed to say we miss Keogh..... Im pretty sure we had much better discipline and a better defence when he around. Keogh haters, dress your hate and vitriol up as much as you want..... he was the best defender we had at this club for the last decade..... and leader. Keogh is missing because of his own actions though,not club decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 We don't have a problem with lack of leadership, it's the egregious lack of quality in the team that is concerning. Keogh was a high quality defender at this level, we simply have no one even remotely close to his ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 10 minutes ago, Ambitious said: We don't have a problem with lack of leadership, it's the egregious lack of quality in the team that is concerning. Keogh was a high quality defender at this level, we simply have no one even remotely close to his ability. Davies is but in different ways. Why not play to his strengths? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Davies is but in different ways. Why not play to his strengths? The problem is that Curtis is very slow. That means we have to play a deep back line. The problem is that puts us 20 yards further away from the opposition goal. We attack so slowly that we'd barely have time for one attack per half if played with a deep back line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 41 minutes ago, CornwallRam said: The problem is that Curtis is very slow. That means we have to play a deep back line. The problem is that puts us 20 yards further away from the opposition goal. We attack so slowly that we'd barely have time for one attack per half if played with a deep back line. We're only having a shot or two on goal a game anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 12 hours ago, Mafiabob said: Am I allowed to say we miss Keogh..... Im pretty sure we had much better discipline and a better defence when he around. Keogh haters, dress your hate and vitriol up as much as you want..... he was the best defender we had at this club for the last decade..... and leader. In Keogh, we’re missing a top Championship centre back, but not a top leader. As far as I’m aware anyway. It’s impossible to truly know a player’s leadershjp ability unless you’re in the dressing room with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shang Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 We have a former Manchester United and England captain in our squad. Leadership isn't the issue, it's the fact our centre-back pairing have only played 2 games together and in front of him we had Max Bird who's game isn't dropping deep to defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Can’t agree we lack a leader. Looking at our season so far I’ve come to the conclusion we are simply not scoring enough goals and conceding too many. If we started to score more than the opposition in games we will start picking up more points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, David said: Can’t agree we lack a leader. Looking at our season so far I’ve come to the conclusion we are simply not scoring enough goals and conceding too many. If we started to score more than the opposition in games we will start picking up more points. Agree with this. Remember the period when we had Vydra and we were clinical and winning games when we actually had very few shots? We always seem to run out of ideas when we get close to the opposition's area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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