Steve How Hard? Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 34 minutes ago, S8TY said: Simmo , Micklewhite , Mcminn...... ? Callaghan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostyn6 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Eddie Lewis and Gary Teale, maybe even Candido Costa, would get in this team. Morten Bisgaard and Marco Reich would be superstars in the current team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dethorn said: Thanks - I do know that you need a balance and players around them and was not suggesting a formation of 0-0-2-0 But I was trying to gauge the feeling on here - I read a lot about Lawrence and recently some about Ince. It seemed to me the feeling around the two types of winger was quite a talking point on here. Guess I misjudged that then ? Lawrence and Ince aren't the types to play with a smile, and they haven't got the burst of pace like Russell, Bennett and Weimann. A lot of people seem to interpret this as having a low work rate whereas the numbers clearly show this misconception is wrong. Looking simply at tackles and interceptions per 90 minutes... Tackles Ince - 1.7/2.6 Lawrence - 1.5/2.6 Russell - 1.8/2.8 Weimann - 1.3/2.2 Interceptions Ince - 0.7 Lawrence - 0.7 Russell - 0.9 Weimann - 0.7 So, Ince and Lawrence's defensive contribution is/was higher than work-horse Weimann, but not quite as high as Russell (not many wingers in this league are). What's that...Not team players you say? Passes Ince - 29.3 Lawrence - 30.5 Russell - 29.1 Weimann - 26.9 Crosses Ince - 4.7 Lawrence - 4.3 Russell - 3.4 Weimann - 1.6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKRam Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Ambitious said: Ince did work hard. You don't get the ball that often if you don't. He was always on the move, looking for the ball and was often hard to mark. He worked as hard, if not harder, than the other group of players - he also had the ability to make it count. Lawrence, I feel, isn't lazy but just doesn't have the mental strength or fitness. Jozefzoon, I fear, at this point just doesn't care. You’d better bell Phil before Friday for the heads up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB SPORTS Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 48 minutes ago, S8TY said: Simmo , Micklewhite , Mcminn...... ? Callaghan, Chandler ,James ............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, cannable said: I think one thing with wingers is that they need the conditions to play just as an striker or midfielder does. Ince was crap under Rowett, Pearson and on the wing under Clement. He was immense under McClaren and Clement as a #10 and was decent under Wassall. He’s crap now. He was good when he had freedom. According to transfermarkt... McClaren (wing) - 42 games, 22 goals, 10 assists McClaren (#10) - 4 games, 1 goal Clement (wing) - 27 games, 8 goals, 2 assists Clement (#10) - 2 games, 1 assist Pearson (wing) - 11 games Powell (wing) - 2 games, 1 goal Wassall (wing) - 18 games, 4 goals, 4 assists Rowett (wing) - 9 games, 2 assists, 2 goals 7 minutes ago, cannable said: Russell was good on the right but not the left. Not sure the criticisms of his end product was fair. He’d got well over 50 goals and assists in his first three seasons (from the right). His runs inside would stretch the opposition and trigger the rotation. RW - 78 games, 11 goals, 13 assists LW - 102 games, 16 goals, 20 assists CF/10 - 12 games, 7 goals, 1 assist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB SPORTS Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 23 minutes ago, cannable said: I think one thing with wingers is that they need the conditions to play just as an striker or midfielder does. Ince was crap under Rowett, Pearson and on the wing under Clement. He was immense under McClaren and Clement as a #10 and was decent under Wassall. He’s crap now. He was good when he had freedom. Russell was good on the right but not the left. Not sure the criticisms of his end product was fair. He’d got well over 50 goals and assists in his first three seasons (from the right). His runs inside would stretch the opposition and trigger the rotation. He looked pretty good last Monday for Stoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S8TY Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 28 minutes ago, Steve How Hard? said: Callaghan? yep he was in my thoughts too but thought the other 3 sneaked it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: According to transfermarkt... McClaren (wing) - 42 games, 22 goals, 10 assists McClaren (#10) - 4 games, 1 goal Clement (wing) - 27 games, 8 goals, 2 assists Clement (#10) - 2 games, 1 assist Pearson (wing) - 11 games Powell (wing) - 2 games, 1 goal Wassall (wing) - 18 games, 4 goals, 4 assists Rowett (wing) - 9 games, 2 assists, 2 goals RW - 78 games, 11 goals, 13 assists LW - 102 games, 16 goals, 20 assists CF/10 - 12 games, 7 goals, 1 assist Transfermarkt isn’t entirely accurate. Under Wassall for example, it has Ince on the right and Russell on the left when they were the opposite way around. Ince scored his hat-trick against Bristol City as a #10 as well so I can see straight away that’s wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Paul71 said: I misread and thought it was a thread about different types of forum members called 'Types of Whinger' My favourite is at the moment is @Millenniumram who I feel is really in need of a hug, a hot chocolate and a puppy to play with for a few hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dethorn Posted January 27, 2020 Author Share Posted January 27, 2020 28 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: Lawrence and Ince aren't the types to play with a smile, and they haven't got the burst of pace like Russell, Bennett and Weimann. A lot of people seem to interpret this as having a low work rate whereas the numbers clearly show this misconception is wrong. Looking simply at tackles and interceptions per 90 minutes... Tackles Ince - 1.7/2.6 Lawrence - 1.5/2.6 Russell - 1.8/2.8 Weimann - 1.3/2.2 Interceptions Ince - 0.7 Lawrence - 0.7 Russell - 0.9 Weimann - 0.7 So, Ince and Lawrence's defensive contribution is/was higher than work-horse Weimann, but not quite as high as Russell (not many wingers in this league are). What's that...Not team players you say? Passes Ince - 29.3 Lawrence - 30.5 Russell - 29.1 Weimann - 26.9 Crosses Ince - 4.7 Lawrence - 4.3 Russell - 3.4 Weimann - 1.6 Awesome information thanks for that - makes me feel Weimann was not as good as I thought but that Ince, Lawrence and Russell are probably all better than I thought The thing that stats do not tell us though and I guess this colours my judgement a bit is something that I noticed across the two legs against Hull in the playoffs. In the first we played with Ince who seemed to compress us by coming back to pick up the ball, whereas in the second with Weimann stretching the Hull defenders giving Hendrick and Bryson more room to move into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, cheron85 said: My favourite is at the moment is @Millenniumram who I feel is really in need of a hug, a hot chocolate and a puppy to play with for a few hours I’m a cat man?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Millenniumram said: I’m a cat man?? Of course you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 minute ago, SaintRam said: Of course you are They’re such miserable bamfords.... remind me so much of myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Back on topic.... I’d reluctantly choose the second set personally. Two players stand out among the rest - and that’s Ince and Russell, in terms of what they achieved in their Derby careers. Ince was one of my favourite Derby attackers in my lifetime... but I just can’t bring myself to select a set of players that includes Josefzoon.... and I’m not a massive fan of Lawrence either. So on the balance that all 3 were at least effective enough to be decent players I’ve gone with the latter set. In reality however, it’s not as simple as one type of winger is better than the other. Ideally, you want wingers who are both industrious and productive - Ince was the closest for me - but those sort of players tend to play premier league football. You can’t really have all industrious wingers with no end product or you’ll never score enough goals, but equally you can’t have a squad load of greedy wingers otherwise your general play will keep breaking down. You need a mixture of both to be successful, so ideally I’d go for a trio of Ince, Weimann and Russell. Think there’s a bit of everything in there. Ironically that is exactly the trio that Clement had to work with, and the muppet still managed to duck it up. How he kept getting jobs I’ll never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superzak Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Hinton...callaghan..simmo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 I ain't voting until Abdoul Camara is in the mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukedcfc Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Ince, Russell and Weimann would walk into our side, it’s a sad fact that we haven’t kicked on since selling them. Jamie ward would probably get into our side, even with bad hamstrings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S8TY Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 for greatest expectation's but turned out to be naff it has to be John Robertson, Gordon Hill , Abdoul Camara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 3 hours ago, RadioactiveWaste said: Went with the workhorse group. Its championship football. Realistically though you'd want at least on tricks n skills option. Yes and they could play on either flank and at centre forward if asked unlike all the 3 fancy dans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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