RoyMac5 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, Curtains said: Would you play Martin and Marriott together. Ask why the manager hasn't tried them, it's not up to me. Same as not playing 2 up top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Curtains said: Would you play Martin and Marriott together. Possibly. But as others have said, it upsets other areas of the team. In other threads I posited if 3-5-2 is a way to go, seeing as we don't have any decent wingers, and our width comes from the fullbacks. Something this would be about the best compromise for all departments. ------------------------Hamer ---------Wisdom----Davis-----Clark Bogle--------------------------------------Lowe --------Huddlestone/Knight----Bird/Shinnie -----------------------Rooney ---------Waghorn/Martin------Marriott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cam the Ram Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 What makes you at half 10 on a Tuesday morning decide to make a thread slagging off Marriott, nearly 3 weeks since he's last played for us? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I’ve said it before, he definitely is. Just like players who make a mistake in a big game (Keogh, Roos) end up being over-criticised for the rest of their time here as a result of the mistake, players who have a special moment in a big game (Bryson, Marriott) tend to be Overrated for the rest of their time here as a result. They seem to be able to get away with far more poor performances and still be bizarrely seen as the saviour. Marriott for me is a pretty poor player at this level. Don’t get me wrong, he’s not awful, and he does certainly have positives in terms of his ability as a poacher when he’s on the end of through balls. But it’s not enough for me. His general play isn’t good enough - he can’t hold a ball up, he doesn’t get involved enough in general play dropping deep, and his finishing is actually quite poor when you look up the stats. For me he isn’t good enough. He’s a low end championship quality player, and not good enough for a team gunning for promotion. We need better, and I actually think the plan was to get better this window. I’m certain we wanted Billy Sharp before the investment fell through, and gut feeling tells me we wanted to shift Marriott and replace him with Sharp. With the investment delay I don’t think we now have the funds to do so this window, as we have to focus on the bigger priorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 What is up with Marriott? I remember he looked unhappy when he went off the last time he played, but dont recall seeing what was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 46 minutes ago, oldtimeram said: Yes Derek Hales Mk 2 Don't be silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Another way of asking the question is: is/was he over valued? Would we all have been as happy with the fee paid if we'd known how often he was unavailable for selection? I'd say no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwash_Ram Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Once fully fit and given a run in the side he is as good as anyone in this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, Cam the Ram said: What makes you at half 10 on a Tuesday morning decide to make a thread slagging off Marriott, nearly 3 weeks since he's last played for us? ? Pretty sure there's a random Derby County related word generator that gets used to create the topics ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 25 minutes ago, duncanjwitham said: So we get rid of Bielik, Evans, Huddlestone and Bird. If you're playing a flat 442, then you need proper wingers, so Lawrence, Josefzoon and Bennett can go too. You're going to struggle to get really attacking midfielders into a flat 442, so Rooney, Holmes and Sibley can go too. The entire academy are playing some variant of 3 in the middle, playing out from the back, so most of the midfielders can go from there too. And we need to probably sign at least 8 new players (4 central midfielders, 4 wingers). So once we've done all of that, we can finally get a striker that's scored less than 1 in 5 in his Derby career into the team? Sounds like a great plan. Rather disingenuous to a lot of our players there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRBee Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Craig Rammage overrates him, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted January 21, 2020 Author Share Posted January 21, 2020 Marriott hopefully plays Friday and gets a Hat trick against League 2 Northampton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 20 minutes ago, ramsbottom said: Possibly. But as others have said, it upsets other areas of the team. In other threads I posited if 3-5-2 is a way to go, seeing as we don't have any decent wingers, and our width comes from the fullbacks. Something this would be about the best compromise for all departments. ------------------------Hamer ---------Wisdom----Davis-----Clark Bogle--------------------------------------Lowe --------Huddlestone/Knight----Bird/Shinnie -----------------------Rooney ---------Waghorn/Martin------Marriott That’s pretty much the best of it currently 11 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: I’ve said it before, he definitely is. Just like players who make a mistake in a big game (Keogh, Roos) end up being over-criticised for the rest of their time here as a result of the mistake, players who have a special moment in a big game (Bryson, Marriott) tend to be Overrated for the rest of their time here as a result. They seem to be able to get away with far more poor performances and still be bizarrely seen as the saviour. Marriott for me is a pretty poor player at this level. Don’t get me wrong, he’s not awful, and he does certainly have positives in terms of his ability as a poacher when he’s on the end of through balls. But it’s not enough for me. His general play isn’t good enough - he can’t hold a ball up, he doesn’t get involved enough in general play dropping deep, and his finishing is actually quite poor when you look up the stats. For me he isn’t good enough. He’s a low end championship quality player, and not good enough for a team gunning for promotion. We need better, and I actually think the plan was to get better this window. I’m certain we wanted Billy Sharp before the investment fell through, and gut feeling tells me we wanted to shift Marriott and replace him with Sharp. With the investment delay I don’t think we now have the funds to do so this window, as we have to focus on the bigger priorities. That’s a load of codswollop easily good enough but has proved not fit enough - the ball is in his court on that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Sparkle said: That’s pretty much the best of it currently That’s a load of codswollop easily good enough but has proved not fit enough - the ball is in his court on that one Really? Is he? He’s not fit enough either which is a problem, but it’s difficult for us to tell whether that’s his fault or pure bad luck. But I don’t think even when fit he’s shown himself to be good enough as an all round striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 My gut feeling is that if Marriott was as desperate to be a real top quality player as us fans are for him to be one then he has potential but in his time with us I just don’t see that in him and I don’t think lampard or cocu do either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Millenniumram said: Really? Is he? He’s not fit enough either which is a problem, but it’s difficult for us to tell whether that’s his fault or pure bad luck. But I don’t think even when fit he’s shown himself to be good enough as an all round striker. If he was fit enough he would be starting every game which he hasn’t been and doesn’t look likely to be and I do think that’s all down to himself and his own effort and professionalism but that’s based on what I see - if the penny drops he could do very well but if the penny dropped a long time ago in his mind ultimately he is toast and he has missed a massive opportunity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannable Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Sparkle said: Basically he needs 442 with midfielders who do the full package - oh and we need to bin the defensive midfielder thing which we have employed lots of Every good team ever has had a defensive midfielder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, cannable said: Every good team ever has had a defensive midfielder Who was ours when we were winning the top league who is Sheffield United’s this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Welcome back Bris. Wasn't this thread originally called Jack Marriott's a Dud or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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