Ghost of Clough Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 28 minutes ago, Big Bad Bob said: I hate to single out players for criticism (and there are a few players at this club who I do want to see anywhere near the pitch, but I don't post those thoughts on here), but the performance and results changed when Lawrence was banned. The first game he was banned for was Charlton and we won. Yes I know he's back in the team, but I think the performances and results with Lawrence sidelined have improved confidence. Waghorn's goal was the starting point. The team finished that game on a high and took that into the Charlton game. Backed by a very supportive crowd, doing everything we could to get in the head of their key player, and the red card turning it almost in to a 'us vs the world' sort of game. Everyone seems so much more united since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 4 hours ago, Alpha said: Yeah, I guess that's why Waghorn is preferred over Martin even though his first touch is awful (although it was good at the weekend!!) I mean I think Marriott and Martin are better than Waghorn but we probably need the physical attributes of Waghorn more than the technical attributes of the other two? I find it highly amusing that the manager who wants to 'play football' prefers Waghorn to Martin - supposedly because Martin is too slow. It's the ball that moves faster than the players can mostly, I don't remember the terribly slow football we played under Mac? We also don't play particularly attacking football even at home. We're playing like a cross between Clement and Snake, we had 2 shots on target on Saturday according to the stats. But we're all so worried about relegation that points are the headliner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: I find it highly amusing that the manager who wants to 'play football' prefers Waghorn to Martin - supposedly because Martin is too slow. It's the ball that moves faster than the players can mostly, I don't remember the terribly slow football we played under Mac? We also don't play particularly attacking football even at home. We're playing like a cross between Clement and Snake, we had 2 shots on target on Saturday according to the stats. But we're all so worried about relegation that points are the headliner. The team was slow Saturday, mainly due to Huddlestone and Rooney where I don't think you want both in many games. I think most people accepted that. I know you won't accept a single word against Martin so this post is probably futile but try and see this as rationale and not Martin-hate, however, we didn't play slow under McClaren because we had the quick players to play off him... Point is, if it's a straight plug and play swap for Waghorn in the team Saturday, we wouldn't have that and it would've been even more pedestrian than it was. Martin could still work, but he would need exactly what we had back then, which we don't particularly have in the squad at our disposal right now. Yes the ball moves quicker, but if you don't have pace to scare the opposition anywhere then the pitch shrinks and becomes more difficult, and the movement off the ball gets worse and you end up with even more side to side aimless football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: I find it highly amusing that the manager who wants to 'play football' prefers Waghorn to Martin - supposedly because Martin is too slow. It's the ball that moves faster than the players can mostly, I don't remember the terribly slow football we played under Mac? Maybe Roy your man is not fit? When he was on the subs bench at Reading and Hull it was regularly trotted out that his stomach issues might be attributable. That might still be currently the case and they are having to nurse him through? I think bottom line Cocu ideally would like a new forward that offers Waghorn’s energy and Martin’s touch. Not easy to find, especially with money apparently too tight to mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, i-Ram said: Maybe Roy your man is not fit? When he was on the subs bench at Reading and Hull it was regularly trotted out that his stomach issues might be attributable. That might still be currently the case and they are having to nurse him through? I think bottom line Cocu ideally would like a new forward that offers Waghorn’s energy and Martin’s touch. Not easy to find, especially with money apparently too tight to mention. Well maybe Trialist or even Whittaker then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 19 minutes ago, Srg said: The team was slow Saturday, mainly due to Huddlestone and Rooney where I don't think you want both in many games. I think most people accepted that... Martin could still work, but he would need exactly what we had back then, which we don't particularly have in the squad at our disposal right now. Yes the ball moves quicker, but if you don't have pace to scare the opposition anywhere then the pitch shrinks and becomes more difficult, and the movement off the ball gets worse and you end up with even more side to side aimless football. Worked against Palace? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Worked against Palace? Premier League team sitting off us, giving us all day on the ball. Completely different to a league game scrapping for everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Big Bad Bob said: I hate to single out players for criticism (and there are a few players at this club who I do want to see anywhere near the pitch, but I don't post those thoughts on here), but the performance and results changed when Lawrence was banned. The first game he was banned for was Charlton and we won. Yes I know he's back in the team, but I think the performances and results with Lawrence sidelined have improved confidence. Lawrence played in arguably the most impressive victory of the lot against Palace. He also got assists against Boro and Hull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CornwallRam Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I think that you're all failing to give credit to the hero here. It's clearly me that is responsible. Since I criticised Philip Coco our form has completely turned around. Cocu obviously read that and decided to pull out the stops to make CornwallRam look silly. So you've all got me to thank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, CornwallRam said: I think that you're all failing to give credit to the hero here. It's clearly me that is responsible. Since I criticised Philip Coco our form has completely turned around. Cocu obviously read that and decided to pull out the stops to make CornwallRam look silly. So you've all got me to thank. I think you're a bit too quick off the mark to claim the credit. We all know it's down to @Rampant . ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 3 hours ago, Big Bad Bob said: I hate to single out players for criticism (and there are a few players at this club who I do want to see anywhere near the pitch, but I don't post those thoughts on here), but the performance and results changed when Lawrence was banned. The first game he was banned for was Charlton and we won. Yes I know he's back in the team, but I think the performances and results with Lawrence sidelined have improved confidence. And look again to last season - banned for three games after Rotherham- then see what happen - research it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, Sparkle said: And look again to last season - banned for three games after Rotherham- then see what happen - research it 1W and 1D in the 2 games Lawrence missed, followed by 1 loss (Lawrence on bench) and another 2 draws. We won the three games prior to Rotherham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaspode Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I thought the change in fortune was down to me - as soon as I stopped wearing my luck underpants the team improves (and people don't sit so far away from me either...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Well it can’t be Coco the clown can it????? Worst manager ever if you’d listen to some! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wazztie16 Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Me, for sticking £7 on us at 50/1 to hit the play offs. Please be done by the last game of the season, one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampant Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 3 hours ago, angieram said: I think you're a bit too quick off the mark to claim the credit. We all know it's down to @Rampant . ? Thank you ? I hope my successor is warming up ready to pick up the baton as and when I drop it. Unless I'm still going come the end of the season in which case I'd expect formal recognition for being a lucky omen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Patience is to thank here..... time and again we’ve got hysterical (myself included I may add) after a defeat..... let’s continue to be patient and see what Cocu can build for the next 18 months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coneheadjohn Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Definitely @Curtains Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 7 hours ago, ram1964 said: Big difference between winning and drawing and losing and drawing, so performances are def better. Rooney distribution and presence amongst our players appears to have had a positive impact and no doubt has given opposition something extra to think about.Hudds,Holmes and the likes coming back have also provided us with some thing extra and will no doubt have installed more confidence whilst in the field of play.Whatever your opinion results are looking more respectable and we appear to be making progress. We are better - as i said - due to jason knight, a bit of confidence, and one or two other things. I'm just not sure its a huge difference because as i also said the 3-0 at Reading could easily have been 3-2, 2-2, or 3-3 due to the boy wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 19 hours ago, Duracell said: I thought the same about Forsyth and Davies when they first played together. Forsyth's left peg was a fast route out of defence and he won his aerial duels. However, it didn't take long for other teams to suss out his weaknesses and lack of match sharpness. Every opposition manager we will face over the next half a dozen games will be showing his coaching staff the clip of Wisdom missing his header and giving Bowen that glorious chance. They'll be after him. I'm not saying Wisdom isn't the answer, I just mean that I've learned not to allow myself to be too excited by one performance. Agree one game is nothing I’m holding onto the hope that wisdom has more history playing that role than fozzy at Liverpool he cans through academy ranks as a centre back, think he played a league cup game for them there, his season long loan at Salzburg saw him play centre back it’s only us and Norwich that have put him in at centre back am hoping him and Clarke compliment each other Arially and all round but gear what u say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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