Spanish Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Just now, King Kevin said: Dunno about anything else but I reckon we should shut the Transfer Forum can't see us buying anyone this window. If you think there is a chance that we may get excluded from the next 3 windows wouldn't you wish to utilise this one as much as possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MACKWORTHRAM Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Archied said: Didn’t the club put one out yesterday ( linked on here) disputing EFL and would fight it then stating they would be making no further comment? That was an old one mate. From when it came about that Middlesbrough were suing the EFL over us selling our ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal is a Ram Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Archied said: Didn’t the club put one out yesterday ( linked on here) disputing EFL and would fight it then stating they would be making no further comment? That was the previous club statement from some point last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Just now, MACKWORTHRAM said: That was an old one mate. From when it came about that Middlesbrough were suing the EFL over us selling our ground. Ahh right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said: My solution is allow parachute payments to only be used on liability taken on in the premiere league. I. E. Parachute money could be used for players signed in the prem (and other costs taken on in the Premier) , but not to fund the promotion challenge as happens now. Are you really going to give different amounts of money to different relegated clubs based on how crazy they were with wages and contract lengths in the prem? You're actually incentivizing clubs to go crazy and sign expensive players, because if they get relegated, they know they won't have to pay for them, so you'll potentially distort the championship even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve bloomer Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 #DCFC set to sue the EFL over their accusations of failing to comply with Profit & Sustainability rules. For the EFL to agree the sale 18 months ago, and now backtrack, is unlawful, and Derby will sue them for the disruption to their investment deal, and January transfer plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevin Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, Spanish said: If you think there is a chance that we may get excluded from the next 3 windows wouldn't you wish to utilise this one as much as possible? Was tongue in cheek ,sometimes it's lost on tinterweb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 minute ago, steve bloomer said: #DCFC set to sue the EFL over their accusations of failing to comply with Profit & Sustainability rules. For the EFL to agree the sale 18 months ago, and now backtrack, is unlawful, and Derby will sue them for the disruption to their investment deal, and January transfer plans. did you just sayu that or is it a thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, steve bloomer said: #DCFC set to sue the EFL over their accusations of failing to comply with Profit & Sustainability rules. For the EFL to agree the sale 18 months ago, and now backtrack, is unlawful, and Derby will sue them for the disruption to their investment deal, and January transfer plans. Where's this from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney1991 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, steve bloomer said: #DCFC set to sue the EFL over their accusations of failing to comply with Profit & Sustainability rules. For the EFL to agree the sale 18 months ago, and now backtrack, is unlawful, and Derby will sue them for the disruption to their investment deal, and January transfer plans. A fan has put that on twitter its not from a statement I've just seen it in twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Just now, Andicis said: Where's this from? Steve Bloomer, can’t you read? Hes back from the dead to exact his vengeance on the EFL... for some reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePrisoner Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, steve bloomer said: #DCFC set to sue the EFL over their accusations of failing to comply with Profit & Sustainability rules. For the EFL to agree the sale 18 months ago, and now backtrack, is unlawful, and Derby will sue them for the disruption to their investment deal, and January transfer plans. Can you just post the links instead? Source is so much more important. Though the last sentence of that tweet is just such poorly constructed baalocks it's clearly nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa_lazarou Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barney1991 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 its from a fan page it's not even credible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, duncanjwitham said: Are you really going to give different amounts of money to different relegated clubs based on how crazy they were with wages and contract lengths in the prem? You're actually incentivizing clubs to go crazy and sign expensive players, because if they get relegated, they know they won't have to pay for them, so you'll potentially distort the championship even more. The amount available would be the same to all, but could only be claimed on PL legacy costs. Wouldn't encourage anything the current system doesn't. is it better to just give them sheds loads of dosh for three years to do with what they will? Gives a bit of safety net to try to be competitive in the prem but stops the using parachute payments fir three yeses promotion challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mick Brolly Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Barney1991 said: its from a fan page it's not even credible I don't believe it for one minute, There's no way Ronaldo will get in the team ahead of Lawrence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Barney1991 said: At least he got his pinned tweet right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 51 minutes ago, duncanjwitham said: FFP is supposed to be doing 2 things at the same time, and as a result it's doing neither very well. It's supposed to level the playing field, i.e. stop a club with a rich owner spending massively and winning through sheer resources alone. And it's also supposed to stop clubs spending beyond their means and getting into financial difficulty. See I don't think that is what's supposed to happen - However it IS the way the EFL seem to police it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Financial_Fair_Play_Regulations If you read into the criticisms of the system it talks about maintaining a status quo of top clubs who benefit from no-one else being able to spend enough to catch up with them - It's being policed by the FA to stop teams like Derby catch up with the parachute payment teams on spend Just another thought here - If we had the same payments from the Premier League that relegated teams have I'm pretty sure we'd have made a profit over the period... Even without the ground sale... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanjwitham Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said: The amount available would be the same to all, but could only be claimed on PL legacy costs. Wouldn't encourage anything the current system doesn't. is it better to just give them sheds loads of dosh for three years to do with what they will? Gives a bit of safety net to try to be competitive in the prem but stops the using parachute payments fir three yeses promotion challenge. If they can only claim it on prem spending, then you're incentivizing them to spend as much as they can in the prem so they can claim more of it back. And how do you classify "prem legacy spending". If Norwich give Pukki a massive new contract in the prem, does that count? Just the part of his wages beyond what he was on before? If they give players a promotion bonus that kicks in if they get promoted following a relegation, does that count? If they expand the stadium while they're there, does that count? If they employ a famous manager, does his wages count? If they have to pay that manager off because he's crap, does that count? It's a massive minefield that literally no one will want to get involved in. The clubs won't want to deal with the extra admin. The Prem/EFL won't want to deal with the disputes etc Don't get me wrong, the current system is rubbish, but it's the least rubbish of all of the systems I've seen suggested, here or anywhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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