Stive Pesley Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Van Wolfie said: I hope he's enjoying congratualting himself while thousands are suffering. Suddenly the thought of thousands suffering is a concern for people. Interesting Did no one suffer before CV? Did no one die as a direct result of austerity? Socialism is based on everyone being in this together. Suddenly we're all socialists. I don't think Corbyn takes any pleasure in being right, but there is no harm in reminding people that they voted for people who have made this a lot worse than it would have been had we started from a position of actually caring for everyone equally and not placing profit and private interests above all else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtoileSportiveDeDerby Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Angry Ram said: There is a difference between necessity and vanity. We are still going to have to pay for this at some point. Thanks god it's Boris at the helm and not Corbyn and his crones. Is Funding for NHS vanity ? I dont think so, it 's a necessity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: Suddenly the thought of thousands suffering is a concern for people. Interesting Did no one suffer before CV? Did no one die as a direct result of austerity? Socialism is based on everyone being in this together. Suddenly we're all socialists. I don't think Corbyn takes any pleasure in being right, but there is no harm in reminding people that they voted for people who have made this a lot worse than it would have been had we started from a position of actually caring for everyone equally and not placing profit and private interests above all else I think he does. If he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ram for All Seasons Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 2 hours ago, RamNut said: Councils used to be funded by grants from central government in addition to council tax. Tory councils that have gone bust, such as East Sussex and Northamptonshire, still are. I thought it was only socialist councils that were suppsed to go bust? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, EtoileSportiveDeDerby said: Is Funding for NHS vanity ? I dont think so, it 's a necessity. How much funding would be required for the NHS not to be stretched by CV? There isn't a health system in the world that isn't struggling where they have infection rates increasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, Van Wolfie said: How much funding would be required for the NHS not to be stretched by CV? There isn't a health system in the world that isn't struggling where they have infection rates increasing. I don't follow, Are you saying let's not bother then. What's the point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ram for All Seasons Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, Van Wolfie said: There isn't a health system in the world that isn't struggling where they have infection rates increasing. Very true, but there is a difference between 6.6 intensive care beds per 100,000 population in Britain and 29.3 beds per 100,000 population in Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 1 minute ago, SchtivePesley said: I don't follow, Are you saying let's not bother then. What's the point? No, but I've seen a lot of comments on FB especially recently where they're equating NHS struggles right now with the Tory spending record. The latter did not cause the former. CV did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 34 minutes ago, EtoileSportiveDeDerby said: Is Funding for NHS vanity ? I dont think so, it 's a necessity. So that was the whole manifesto was it.. I also think the Tories were also funding the NHS. Please take a breath before posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Extenuating circumstances have caused the government to take extreme measures that will ultimately cost the nation a huge amount of money and could start a recession. Jeremy Corbyn - "This proves we could spend this money all of the time". The man is a moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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EtoileSportiveDeDerby Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 35 minutes ago, Angry Ram said: So that was the whole manifesto was it.. I also think the Tories were also funding the NHS. Please take a breath before posting. Breathing is good, thx, touch wood. Should it become an issue hopefully the NHS will help. If it were adequately funded it may be able to help more (capacity) as well as help itself more (eg. protection and testing for its staff) Manifesto/election winner was about the B word and not much else let's be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtoileSportiveDeDerby Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Van Wolfie said: How much funding would be required for the NHS not to be stretched by CV? There isn't a health system in the world that isn't struggling where they have infection rates increasing. Every country is stretched of course, some more than others that is what we are talking about. 1 hour ago, A Ram for All Seasons said: Very true, but there is a difference between 6.6 intensive care beds per 100,000 population in Britain and 29.3 beds per 100,000 population in Germany. and the difference tells its own story in terms of number of deaths in countries ie. Germany is low compared to other countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 3 hours ago, SchtivePesley said: And I take it that concerns you? More perhaps than it ever concerned you that many people suffered financially for years under the old "landscape" Some harsh realities for certain people here. All the reasons why socialism was considered a dirty word go out the window when faced with these "exceptional circumstances". Go on you can admit it ? (the nausea will pass) And as in war time the state took control as it had to. When the war was over the people wanted their lives back. Have a read of the times today. Interesting parallels. In normal circumstances the majority like self determination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, EtoileSportiveDeDerby said: and the difference tells its own story in terms of number of deaths in countries ie. Germany is low compared to other countries. No, the difference is how countries are recording the deaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 3 hours ago, GboroRam said: We couldn't afford an umbrella. Then the biggest storm in memory is ripping through, and suddenly we can afford the umbrella. Shame we didn't have one we already. There's money out there, just not for buying umbrellas. And if you spent all that money in normal times and then the pandemic comes along ? ... a Marxist command economy only lasts so long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 14 minutes ago, jono said: And if you spent all that money in normal times and then the pandemic comes along ? ... a Marxist command economy only lasts so long Well, increasing taxation was talked about, but that's a dirty word at the minute. Better to be ill-prepared to handle a health crisis, but keep those dividends paying well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtoileSportiveDeDerby Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 20 minutes ago, Andicis said: No, the difference is how countries are recording the deaths. it's not just an accounting trick... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 33 minutes ago, Andicis said: No, the difference is how countries are recording the deaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 49 minutes ago, EtoileSportiveDeDerby said: Breathing is good, thx, touch wood. Should it become an issue hopefully the NHS will help. If it were adequately funded it may be able to help more (capacity) as well as help itself more (eg. protection and testing for its staff) Manifesto/election winner was about the B word and not much else let's be honest. Yeah cause it was. Lend me your crystal ball, I want to know when the next virus will hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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