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1 hour ago, Van Wolfie said:

I hope he's enjoying congratualting himself while thousands are suffering.

Suddenly the thought of thousands suffering is a concern for people. Interesting

Did no one suffer before CV? Did no one die as a direct result of austerity?

Socialism is based on everyone being in this together. Suddenly we're all socialists. I don't think Corbyn takes any pleasure in being right, but there is no harm in reminding people that they voted for people who have made this a lot worse than it would have been had we started from a position of actually caring for everyone equally and not placing profit and private interests above all else

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11 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said:

Suddenly the thought of thousands suffering is a concern for people. Interesting

Did no one suffer before CV? Did no one die as a direct result of austerity?

Socialism is based on everyone being in this together. Suddenly we're all socialists. I don't think Corbyn takes any pleasure in being right, but there is no harm in reminding people that they voted for people who have made this a lot worse than it would have been had we started from a position of actually caring for everyone equally and not placing profit and private interests above all else

I think he does. If he is. 

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11 minutes ago, EtoileSportiveDeDerby said:

Is Funding for NHS vanity ? I dont think so, it 's a necessity.

How much funding would be required for the NHS not to be stretched by CV?

There isn't a health system in the world that isn't struggling where they have infection rates increasing. 

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5 minutes ago, Van Wolfie said:

How much funding would be required for the NHS not to be stretched by CV?

There isn't a health system in the world that isn't struggling where they have infection rates increasing. 

I don't follow, Are you saying  let's not bother then. What's the point?

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1 minute ago, SchtivePesley said:

I don't follow, Are you saying  let's not bother then. What's the point?

No, but I've seen a lot of comments on FB especially recently where they're equating NHS struggles right now with the Tory spending record. 

The latter did not cause the former. CV did. 

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Extenuating circumstances have caused the government to take extreme measures that will ultimately cost the nation a huge amount of money and could start a recession.

Jeremy Corbyn - "This proves we could spend this money all of the time".

The man is a moron.

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35 minutes ago, Angry Ram said:

So that was the whole manifesto was it.. I also think the Tories were also funding the NHS. Please take a breath before posting. 

Breathing is good, thx, touch wood. Should it become an issue hopefully the NHS will help. If it were adequately funded it may be able to help more (capacity) as well as help itself more (eg. protection and testing for its staff)

Manifesto/election winner was about the B word and not much else let's be honest.

 

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1 hour ago, Van Wolfie said:

How much funding would be required for the NHS not to be stretched by CV?

There isn't a health system in the world that isn't struggling where they have infection rates increasing. 

Every country is stretched of course, some more than others that is what we are talking about.

1 hour ago, A Ram for All Seasons said:

Very true, but there is a difference between 6.6 intensive care beds per 100,000 population in Britain and 29.3  beds per 100,000 population in Germany.

and the difference tells its own story in terms of number of deaths in countries ie. Germany is low compared to other countries.

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3 hours ago, SchtivePesley said:

And I take it that concerns you? More perhaps than it ever concerned you that many people suffered financially for years under the old "landscape"

Some harsh realities for certain people here. All the reasons why socialism was considered a dirty word go out the window when faced with these "exceptional circumstances".

Go on you can admit it ? (the nausea will pass)

And as in war time the state took control as it had to.  When the war was over the people wanted their lives back. Have a read of the times today. Interesting parallels. In normal circumstances the majority like self determination. 

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4 minutes ago, EtoileSportiveDeDerby said:

and the difference tells its own story in terms of number of deaths in countries ie. Germany is low compared to other countries.

No, the difference is how countries are recording the deaths. 

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3 hours ago, GboroRam said:

We couldn't afford an umbrella. Then the biggest storm in memory is ripping through, and suddenly we can afford the umbrella.

Shame we didn't have one we already. There's money out there, just not for buying umbrellas.

And if you spent all that money in normal times and then the pandemic comes along ? ... a Marxist command economy only lasts so long 

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14 minutes ago, jono said:

And if you spent all that money in normal times and then the pandemic comes along ? ... a Marxist command economy only lasts so long 

Well, increasing taxation was talked about, but that's a dirty word at the minute. Better to be ill-prepared to handle a health crisis, but keep those dividends paying well.

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49 minutes ago, EtoileSportiveDeDerby said:

Breathing is good, thx, touch wood. Should it become an issue hopefully the NHS will help. If it were adequately funded it may be able to help more (capacity) as well as help itself more (eg. protection and testing for its staff)

Manifesto/election winner was about the B word and not much else let's be honest.

 

Yeah cause it was. Lend me your crystal ball, I want to know when the next virus will hit. 

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