EtoileSportiveDeDerby Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52048213 Wow! Corbyn genuinely believes that this current unprecedented spending proves he was right all along. Listened to it, not sure he wasn't that wrong either. Austerity stripped government services and investment for years and now Bojo is having to throw the kitchen sink (and the rest) at it in 3 months or so. (I have already replied to one of your comments a few pages back about borrowing and someone has got to pay for it and would you be happy to pay more taxes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted March 27, 2020 Author Share Posted March 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, EtoileSportiveDeDerby said: Listened to it, not sure he wasn't that wrong either. Austerity stripped government services and investment for years and now Bojo is having to throw the kitchen sink (and the rest) at it in 3 months or so. (I have already replied to one of your comments a few pages back about borrowing and someone has got to pay for it and would you be happy to pay more taxes) Sorry cant see that previous reply, did not ignore it on purpose. Have looked back and cant see anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtoileSportiveDeDerby Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 21 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Sorry cant see that previous reply, did not ignore it on purpose. Have looked back and cant see anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted March 27, 2020 Author Share Posted March 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, EtoileSportiveDeDerby said: Cheers for that. Cant remember if I responded to that at the time or not. If I did, I would imagine that I would have said that I would like to see improvements in efficiency first before tax increases. If anyone said to me that they wanted to put my tax up 5% and they could guarantee it would massively improve the NHS I would of course agree to it. What I dont like is increasing what I have to pay for things and getting no tangible benefit. Such examples being my council tax, road fund licence and tv licence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 1 hour ago, G STAR RAM said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52048213 Wow! Corbyn genuinely believes that this current unprecedented spending proves he was right all along. He's right though isn't he. How can you argue otherwise? The Tories are essentially enacting the Labour manifesto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: What I dont like is increasing what I have to pay for things and getting no tangible benefit. Such examples being my council tax, road fund licence and tv licence. Not tangible? Bins emptied, trading standards offices, food outlets inspected, streets cleaned, school buses, care homes, council housing, community nursing and much, much more? Roads that are smooth, well signposted, painted well and repaired appropriately? I'll not comment on the BBC as what I value in it I know you won't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtoileSportiveDeDerby Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 25 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Cheers for that. Cant remember if I responded to that at the time or not. If I did, I would imagine that I would have said that I would like to see improvements in efficiency first before tax increases. If anyone said to me that they wanted to put my tax up 5% and they could guarantee it would massively improve the NHS I would of course agree to it. What I dont like is increasing what I have to pay for things and getting no tangible benefit. Such examples being my council tax, road fund licence and tv licence. and I agree! However good management/government should be improvement in efficiencies as well as investments, not instead of. It is a well known fact for instance that the NHS is pound for pound one of the most efficient and effective healthcare service in the world. Other countries send their senior management teams to see how they achieve so much with a vastly inferior budget. But there is only so much you can do because other factors such as ageing population, costly drugs, obesity, PPI effectively means that maintaining level of investment actually mean going backward. For the TV license, just watch foreign TV for a week and you might change your mind. Believe me when I say no other country comes anywhere near what is on the box here. ? Road fund license, it's not being used to fix enough potholes that's for sure Council tax, don't get me started on Derby City Council! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 14 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: He's right though isn't he. How can you argue otherwise? The Tories are essentially enacting the Labour manifesto* *in exceptional circumstances Lets see how we all end up paying for it when its all over before we all hail the Tories implementing a Corbyn manifesto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted March 27, 2020 Author Share Posted March 27, 2020 23 minutes ago, GboroRam said: Not tangible? Bins emptied, trading standards offices, food outlets inspected, streets cleaned, school buses, care homes, council housing, community nursing and much, much more? Over the past few years, from my perspective the facilities have got gradually worse despite my bill going gradually up. Roads that are smooth, well signposted, painted well and repaired appropriately? I hope that first point is a joke. I'll not comment on the BBC as what I value in it I know you won't. I very rarely use the BBC. All I see is people being paid ridiculous salaries for doing a job that you could people to do for 1/10th of the cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted March 27, 2020 Author Share Posted March 27, 2020 28 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: He's right though isn't he. How can you argue otherwise? The Tories are essentially enacting the Labour manifesto This is not enacting a manifesto, this is desperate times calling for the most desperate measures in most of our lifetimes. This is going to change the landscape for years to come and many of us are going to suffer financially for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 28 minutes ago, SchtivePesley said: He's right though isn't he. How can you argue otherwise? The Tories are essentially enacting the Labour manifesto Except that this is an unprecedented situation involving a global pandemic. Entirely different set of circumstances. its raining .. let’s discuss the merits of umbrellas and outerwear There is a storm ripping across the world bringing rain, typhoons and storms of biblical flood magnitude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 20 minutes ago, jono said: Except that this is an unprecedented situation involving a global pandemic. Entirely different set of circumstances. its raining .. let’s discuss the merits of umbrellas and outerwear There is a storm ripping across the world bringing rain, typhoons and storms of biblical flood magnitude We couldn't afford an umbrella. Then the biggest storm in memory is ripping through, and suddenly we can afford the umbrella. Shame we didn't have one we already. There's money out there, just not for buying umbrellas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GboroRam Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 26 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: If you think we need more potholes being filled, probably because more cars than ever are using the roads, perhaps we need to spend more on the road fund, not less. As for the BBC, they are forced into paying commercial rates by the other stations. If they don't pay competitive figures, where will people choose to go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 11 hours ago, 1of4 said: Well another day and another government minister appears on the TV spouting the same BS as Nadhim Zahawi did last night.. Tonight it's the turn of Robert Jenrick. I must give him due credit, he did manage to deliver the BS message with more sincerity than his fellow minister did last night. When Jenrick was asked why the government hadn't done more sooner. So as to have the kit needed and in place to combat the virus outbreak when it happened, just as Germany had done. We got the standard waffle as an answer. Why is it that Germany can carry out more tests in a day than the UK as managed in total since the first coronavirus case was detected here. Can't stand the man. He's my MP, with a massive majority. Career politician; comes across as a yes man and with no links to the constituency he represents. The only time in my life I've requested help from my MP, I got no response whatsoever from him or his office. Did you know, he was the only UK MP to be present at Trump's inauguration?. Such a brown-nose. I'm sure his mum likes him, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted March 27, 2020 Author Share Posted March 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, GboroRam said: If you think we need more potholes being filled, probably because more cars than ever are using the roads, perhaps we need to spend more on the road fund, not less. Yet my road fund licence goes up and up yet potholes that have been there for years remain. As for the BBC, they are forced into paying commercial rates by the other stations. If they don't pay competitive figures, where will people choose to go? Why do we need to pay for Gary Linekers £1m a year salary to those MOTD. Do you think anyone actually tunes in to watch him? Get Craig Ramage to do it for 1/10th of the price I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Councils used to be funded by grants from central government in addition to council tax. The government cut the central funding year on year until eventually it was totally removed. so we probably are paying more in council tax for less of a service in return. But who's fault is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 48 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: This is going to change the landscape for years to come and many of us are going to suffer financially for it. And I take it that concerns you? More perhaps than it ever concerned you that many people suffered financially for years under the old "landscape" Some harsh realities for certain people here. All the reasons why socialism was considered a dirty word go out the window when faced with these "exceptional circumstances". Go on you can admit it ? (the nausea will pass) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 So Coronavirus response has proved Corbyn right?. I hope he's enjoying congratualting himself while thousands are suffering. I suppose when you've failed as spectacularly as he has, you have to take the positives where you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Ram Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 2 hours ago, SchtivePesley said: He's right though isn't he. How can you argue otherwise? The Tories are essentially enacting the Labour manifesto There is a difference between necessity and vanity. We are still going to have to pay for this at some point. Thanks god it's Boris at the helm and not Corbyn and his crones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Torrid abandoning their ‘principles’ and havering over justifying govt spending is quite a site to behold. all hail the market but not all the time. and it’s the left who are the hypocrites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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