RoyMac5 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 On RD post match someone commentated that Cocu sets up his teams to (paraphrase) 'oppose the opposition'. Is this the way to set up Derby to play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Logically no, their strengths are unlikely to be our strengths etc and we don't have adaptable players. As a short term expedient to get a bit of solidity away from home possibly. But it doesn't seem to be working.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: On RD post match someone commentated that Cocu sets up his teams to (paraphrase) 'oppose the opposition'. Is this the way to set up Derby to play? Am not sure what that means. Genuine question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: Am not sure what that means. Genuine question. It means that Cocu would rather set up his team to try and stop the opposition from playing, rather than concentrate on our players actually playing/creating/entertaining. Some call it anti-football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Now I understand I can only echo the previous comments as yielding 5 blanks on the previous last 5 away games is a totally unacceptable return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Maybe Mel brought that on himself. he made it a thing that Cocu didn’t know the league and therefore he would add Liam Rosenior to the coaching team, who did. a bit like when he accused mac1 of having no plan B, so Paul clement kept pissing about with different formations in search of a plan b, and to show everyone what a very clever man he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIMBAUD Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 22 minutes ago, Van der MoodHoover said: Logically no, their strengths are unlikely to be our strengths etc and we don't have adaptable players. As a short term expedient to get a bit of solidity away from home possibly. But it doesn't seem to be working.... I can’t work whether our players don’t understand how to do it; or aren’t skilled enough to carry it out, or whether the opposition don’t realise they’re being ‘opposed’ and carry on and beat us anyway. (In away games at least.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenBr Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Whilst i understand we have a lot of injuries at the moment that necessitate changing the team and formation i still dont really think we should change the formation/players every game. Find one formation and play that every game. If we change formation/players depending on who we are playing we weaken ourselves whilst allowing the opposition to always play to their strengths. Our players arent good enough to keep constantly adapting to new tactics, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, RIMBAUD said: I can’t work whether our players don’t understand how to do it; or aren’t skilled enough to carry it out, or whether the opposition don’t realise they’re being ‘opposed’ and carry on and beat us anyway. (In away games at least.) How is it supposed to work? Everyone knows that Bradley Dack is Blackburn’s danger man. Therefore would the plan be to put a man to man marker on him? We had five defenders plus a holding midfielder. Is the holding midfielder going to neutralise Dack? well it didn’t happen. Bielik never tracked him and Dack was still allowed to pop up all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeS Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Who do we have to man mark these days? Shinnie maybe but injured, Holmes maybe but just too light. Bielik, not his game and too slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk Thrust Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 hour ago, RIMBAUD said: I can’t work whether our players don’t understand how to do it; or aren’t skilled enough to carry it out, or whether the opposition don’t realise they’re being ‘opposed’ and carry on and beat us anyway. (In away games at least.) They don't understand how to do it. Simple. BTW I am writing this from across the street from "your" house in Harar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, MikeS said: Who do we have to man mark these days? Shinnie maybe but injured, Holmes maybe but just too light. Bielik, not his game and too slow. Evans? Malone? P.s. what was the point of bielik then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramos Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 At this level, there’s probably a couple of teams you would expect to set up against to stop their game. Otherwise every other team is there or there about the same quality, so you’d think we would play to our strengths —— but that’s the biggest problem for cocu I think, we don’t really have any strengths ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammy03 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 We do have strengths and he's not playing to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coneheadjohn Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 I remember Rowett talking about Mac1 Derby. That they knew exactly how we were going to play but that we were so good that it didn’t really matter. I don’t really have an opinion on your question as I would need to watch us. I just thought I’d share that useless information with you. My feeling is that it’s negative but could be down to a poor injury hit squad that’s short on confidence? (that’s my after thought opinion) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCG Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 If sometimes had been very occasionally I would have gone with that, but in the Championship there are very few teams that deserve that amount of respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtoileSportiveDeDerby Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, KCG said: If sometimes had been very occasionally I would have gone with that, but in the Championship there are very few teams that deserve that amount of respect. This. It is a poor league, defending at times is farcical. Over the years The teams that end up top or near there attack attack attack. If you create the chances in the championship you will score. But there lies the issue we dont create enough. Preston came to PP and they were 2nd in the league and rubbish, we attacked them played well and won. I dont understand why we have not persevered with this. Rooney may change all that, I hope. 24 sleeps and counting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINMANTED Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 i really am getting fed up with all the swapping about,we need to put out the team that played preston(as near as possible given injuries)home and away with the same instructions and try to get a bit of coordination and understanding between the players.at present with all the changing,nobody has a clue.into december now and we dont have a first eleven or identity.let the opposition worry about us,not the other way round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamRam Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Any decent manager will study the opposition and look to exploit weaknesses and stop their strengths. Teams do it to us all the time, early crosses and pressing certain players. For me this is not the problem, our core of players are weak, we have no pace, no creative players and a defence that belongs to a bottom half team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted December 8, 2019 Author Share Posted December 8, 2019 17 minutes ago, AdamRam said: For me this is not the problem, our core of players are weak, we have no pace, no creative players and a defence that belongs to a bottom half team. Why does he keep swapping about so much then, they're all crap pick a formation and practice it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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