Formation

[RamNut]

• This is how I see it....

Two triangles - one on the left, one of the right - involving the full back, the winger, and a supporting midfield link man

The choice is then where to play the 11th man.

4 options 

• between the centre backs - the 3 at the back option which allows the wing backs to push on
• in holding midfield -which allows the central midfielders to push on and protects the centre backs
• the no10 - the deep lying striker playing in the hole
• a second striker

What’s interesting is the options that don’t exist.

• playing two holding midfielders
• playing a holding midfielder and a no10

...and even worse

• playing two holding midfielders and a no10

The latter three options just knacker the midfield - as you have to sacrifice the orthodox midfield link men for defensive midfielders or attacking midfielders, and this makes it harder to get up the pitch. Effectively the team loses the all important midfield triangles and so reverts to a rowett hoof or the full backs have to progress up the pitch without much help (Cocu).

we seem to like to play the mac1 system with one holding midfield player. 

That seems like a good starting point. The players that should be a natural fit are highlighted.

1 Roos or Mitchell or hamer

2 bogle

3 lowe or malone

4 wisdom or davies

5 bielik or Evans or huddlestone

6 fozzy

7 Lawrence or Bennett or jozefzoon or Mitchell-lawson or holmes

8 Holmes or knight or paterson

9 Martin or waghorn or Marriott or rooney

10 Shinnie or dowell or sibley

11 we haven’t really got one...maybe whittaker Or jozefzoon out of position

 

Thats as good as we have got.

after that it’s about getting better players.

 

Finished ?

[hintonsboots]

Looks like an attempt by Stephen Hawking to get into football management lol ? 

[Jimbo Ram]

Thought it was a noddy guide of how to put up a tent ?

[Dean (hick) Saunders]

This is how I see it

[SaintRam]

Now, admittedly I only looked at the two pictures and read NOTHING; but I've been left confused.

[Millenniumram]

I like triangles

[RamNut]

Probably a mistake to try anything that doesn’t just involve ridicule and arguing.

[SaintRam]

4 minutes ago, RamNut said:

Probably a mistake to try anything that doesn’t just involve ridicule and arguing.

Don't worry you'll get real feedback/discussion once people fully wake up ? 

[Ghost of Clough]

We seem to be playing a version of 4231 which is almost a 442 and almost  433). Using the QPR lineup, we see: 
4231
        Holmes Evans
Bogle Lawrence Waghorn
           Marriott

442
Bogle Holmes Evans Waghorn
       Marriott Lawrence

433
                   Evans
          Holmes  
                       Lawrence
Bogle                             Waghorn
                 Marriott

We've been lining up this way for a while now (flirting with a diamond for a short period). Even in pre-season we saw Marriott and Bennett in the Lawrence role, and Paterson played it on a couple of occasions when he was in the team.

[europia]

There is only so much you can do with formation tweaks. If you don't have quality players, changing formation could have an adverse effect. Performance against QPR a prime example. 

As my grandad used to say. You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear (or something along those lines...)

[The Scarlet Pimpernel]

Yep, it's players not systems that need to come first. Systems merely enhance what good players can do. 

[Dimmu]

11 hours ago, europia said:

There is only so much you can do with formation tweaks. If you don't have quality players, changing formation could have an adverse effect. Performance against QPR a prime example. 

As my grandad used to say. You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear (or something along those lines...)

When talking about managerial challenges and players one have available, I quite like the saing You can't make a great chocolate out of poo, but You can turn a great chocolate to a poo.

[Coneheadjohn]

On 01/12/2019 at 19:30, RamNut said:

 

Are you Paul Clement?

[RamNut]

9 hours ago, Van Cone De Head said:

Are you Paul Clement?

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

[RiddingsRam]

I always like talking tactics , formations and shapes etc etc ..... It's the main thing I watch when I'm watching a game . Although I do like a Dutch 4-3-3 with the current squad and even the development of the modern game I think a fluid 3-4-3 is the way to go ! 

*Firstly we don't have any decent wingers ... Any , we haven't got one natural winger that's anywhere near the first team 

*Our full backs love to bomb forward as many do these days

*We have a lot of players who can play the "10" role 

*Will suit Rooney just fine .

                               Hamer 

           Wisdom.      Davies.   Forsyth

Bogle.      Shinnie.        Bielik.          Lowe 

                    Rooney.       Lawrence

                               Martin 

 

[Ramarena]

On 01/12/2019 at 14:30, RamNut said:

• This is how I see it....

Two triangles - one on the left, one of the right - involving the full back, the winger, and a supporting midfield link man

The choice is then where to play the 11th man.

4 options 

• between the centre backs - the 3 at the back option which allows the wing backs to push on
• in holding midfield -which allows the central midfielders to push on and protects the centre backs
• the no10 - the deep lying striker playing in the hole
• a second striker

What’s interesting is the options that don’t exist.

• playing two holding midfielders
• playing a holding midfielder and a no10

...and even worse

• playing two holding midfielders and a no10

The latter three options just knacker the midfield - as you have to sacrifice the orthodox midfield link men for defensive midfielders or attacking midfielders, and this makes it harder to get up the pitch. Effectively the team loses the all important midfield triangles and so reverts to a rowett hoof or the full backs have to progress up the pitch without much help (Cocu).

we seem to like to play the mac1 system with one holding midfield player. 

That seems like a good starting point. The players that should be a natural fit are highlighted.

1 Roos or Mitchell or hamer

2 bogle

3 lowe or malone

4 wisdom or davies

5 bielik or Evans or huddlestone

6 fozzy

7 Lawrence or Bennett or jozefzoon or Mitchell-lawson or holmes

8 Holmes or knight or paterson

9 Martin or waghorn or Marriott or rooney

10 Shinnie or dowell or sibley

11 we haven’t really got one...maybe whittaker Or jozefzoon out of position

 

Thats as good as we have got.

after that it’s about getting better players.

 

Finished ?

Hi Gary 

 

[Ellafella]

On 03/12/2019 at 22:13, The Orange Pimpernel said:

Yep, it's players not systems that need to come first. Systems merely enhance what good players can do. 

Exactly. 

[RamNut]

But ultimately you have to pick a team shape.

[1977 Ram Raider]

4 hours ago, RamNut said:

But ultimately you have to pick a team shape.

Or just use the Andre Wisdom theory , it’s 11 men v 11 men, don’t worry about formation.

[EtoileSportiveDeDerby]

I like it, numbers 1 to 11 as it used to be and as it should be. Don't know about the rest.

oh, and black boots please.