rammieib Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Surprised this hasn’t been bought up yet (that I’ve seen). As we were leaving the ground today, the police formed a barricade to stop all DCFC fans leaving the car park. In essence they used the corridor between two buses about 60 feet wide. The police told us ‘it’s for your safety’ but could not tell us anything else. They didn’t know why they had been told to hold us. It was a decision of the match commander and the officer I was chatting to had now moved the conversation to ‘above my pay grade’. (I don’t get angry so all convos from myself were pleasant). As you can imagine it was now getting quite raucous with up to 1500 Derby fans in the car park behind this police line. This probably lasted 7-8 minutes and I’m not 100% sure what the fans were chanting but it was in the region that we are about to charge. Sure enough a tidal wave of fans now just pushed forward and the coppers had to retreat. It was certainly scary and thankfully I managed to move to the side as I had no intention of being anywhere near the front. Im not sure if any actual violence broke out but I did see a bit further on that Forest fans had now been held from their exit and as DCFC fans were walking past, scuffles between police and fans broke out. Ive been to Forest games around ten times or so now and I’ve never once seen the police hold us and never once seen any issues on exiting. (That said I make sure I avoid areas). Today was nothing short of abysmal police efforts and if that match commander thought holding 1500 fans behind a police barricade with one useless copper of a Mic giving no information at all then the whole thing was going to end badly. I am hopeful no one got hurt. If one person had fallen over on the charge it would have been awful. Whoever the match commander is needs some serious explaining as he put a number of people’s safety (including coppers) at risk today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eezzeetiger Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 They were holding you back to see if you might score, once Forest left the field... after 15 mins, he decided enough was enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sheriff Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, eezzeetiger said: They were holding you back to see if you might score, once Forest left the field... after 15 mins, he decided enough was enough If it wasn't for a gift you wouldn't have scored either. Let's see how convincing you are at our place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derby blood Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, eezzeetiger said: They were holding you back to see if you might score, once Forest left the field... after 15 mins, he decided enough was enough And the only way you scored was by a error, not much between the 2 sides, and BTW your fans are poo, and u will deffo not go up, u remind me off a Gary Rowett team, the wheels will fall off my red dog friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millenniumram Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Most fight seen in blokes with white shirts on all afternoon ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestKentRam Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 I agree it wasn't good getting out after the game. The crowd got restless being held back by a police line with no communication how long and what for. Then some surged forward pushing those in front along and most of the police seemed to move to the side but some were shouting I'm not sure what, possibly don't go past but by then it was too late and people were walking through. Then the police tactics seemed to be to shepherd everyone to the left with paths to the right blocked off, and again some shouting from police I couldn't quite hear but appeared to be no-one to go right when questioned by fans who wanted to go right to get to their cars. Our car was to the right at the cricket ground and we seemed to be going in completely the wrong direction, so after a bit paths to the right opened up and we, with other Derby fans went off right, meeting Forest fans coming the other way with no trouble at all. I've not come across this leaving Forest and had no trouble leaving the ground on previous occasions. It seemed that penning people back inflamed the situation into a chaotic mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, WestKentRam said: I agree it wasn't good getting out after the game. The crowd got restless being held back by a police line with no communication how long and what for. Then some surged forward pushing those in front along and most of the police seemed to move to the side but some were shouting I'm not sure what, possibly don't go past but by then it was too late and people were walking through. Then the police tactics seemed to be to shepherd everyone to the left with paths to the right blocked off, and again some shouting from police I couldn't quite hear but appeared to be no-one to go right when questioned by fans who wanted to go right to get to their cars. Our car was to the right at the cricket ground and we seemed to be going in completely the wrong direction, so after a bit paths to the right opened up and we, with other Derby fans went off right, meeting Forest fans coming the other way with no trouble at all. I've not come across this leaving Forest and had no trouble leaving the ground on previous occasions. It seemed that penning people back inflamed the situation into a chaotic mess. I agree. The whole situation with the contrived police escort of fans back to the station (even if you didn't want to go there!) with pockets of baying Forest fans similarly being held back at junctions en route was what created the toxic atmosphere. In the main the police were pleasant but one or two were handling us quite roughly. I got a shove from behind when I apparently strayed too far into the road but the policeman concerned changed his attitude when he came around the front and realised how old I was. It all rather reminded me of the 80s! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WystonRam Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 It was appalling, my daughter and I were at the front and as soon as the surge came we were pushed through the police line. As this happened the police, firstly a female then further on a male took it upon themselves to push my daughter back. The female office pushed her back into the crowd surge and then when I found her I witnessed a male office forcefully pushing her in the chest. I intervened as anyone one would do in that situation and the brave officer stood down. It was an utter shambles and created a melee of totally unnecessary proportions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 It might have been a poor decision on the part of the police, but the blame for any trouble should almost always go to the fans. It's not hard to stand around for five minutes when it's clear that the aim is to try and make things safer for people. I was right in the middle of it all and never would have dreamed of trying to fight the Forest fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said: It might have been a poor decision on the part of the police, but the blame for any trouble should almost always go to the fans. It's not hard to stand around for five minutes when it's clear that the aim is to try and make things safer for people. I was right in the middle of it all and never would have dreamed of trying to fight the Forest fans. I dont know why they just dont keep the away fans in the stadium for a few minutes. Thats happened at PP before, just make an announcement and job done. That said while it sounds poor, no excuse for those Derby fans who decided to push, even without a vast amount of information its not like they would keep them there all night. Not good for those at the front though, doesnt take much for it to get out of hand and injuries to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WystonRam Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said: It might have been a poor decision on the part of the police, but the blame for any trouble should almost always go to the fans. It's not hard to stand around for five minutes when it's clear that the aim is to try and make things safer for people. I was right in the middle of it all and never would have dreamed of trying to fight the Forest fans. Should have let everyone leave at the same time as they have done every other year I have been. It created an unnecessary division between the fans and actually by congregating all the fans together created a situation that did not need to exist. Utterly farcical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestKentRam Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 9 minutes ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said: It might have been a poor decision on the part of the police, but the blame for any trouble should almost always go to the fans. It's not hard to stand around for five minutes when it's clear that the aim is to try and make things safer for people. I was right in the middle of it all and never would have dreamed of trying to fight the Forest fans. Yes I was perfectly happy to stand there waiting until we'd be let through. However trying to hold a crowd of up to 2000 restless people back with no communication as to how long it would be for and then in what direction they would be moved on was only asking for trouble and the inevitable surge happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Paul71 said: I dont know why they just dont keep the away fans in the stadium for a few minutes. Thats happened at PP before, just make an announcement and job done. That said while it sounds poor, no excuse for those Derby fans who decided to push, even without a vast amount of information its not like they would keep them there all night. Not good for those at the front though, doesnt take much for it to get out of hand and injuries to happen. There was a "suggestion" on their big screen that we wait behind in the stadium, but it was at the far end of the ground and only up for a few seconds. We did stay in the ground, as I hate crushes, but when we did exit we still got funnelled into the convoy, which was moving by then. To be honest, I found the whole situation between the two sets of fans all afternoon very frightening and quite vile. I was standing quite close to the Forest fans at the game and there were fans on both sides who were clearly there just to goad and spit vitriol at each other with no interest on what was happening on the pitch. I expected the Forest fans to be happy at the end as they'd won, but they were even more venomous. I also suspect that there were a lot of "Derby" fans there who don't usually go to away matches. Some certainly weren't there to sing and get behind the team. Strange behaviour. I have been to Leeds many times and find their support of their team loud and intimidating but not felt any of the hatred that I experienced yesterday. I won't be going back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 1 minute ago, angieram said: There was a "suggestion" on their big screen that we wait behind in the stadium, but it was at the far end of the ground and only up for a few seconds. We did stay in the ground, as I hate crushes, but when we did exit we still got funnelled into the convoy, which was moving by then. To be honest, I found the whole situation between the two sets of fans all afternoon very frightening and quite vile. I was standing quite close to the Forest fans at the game and there were fans on both sides who were clearly there just to goad and spit vitriol at each other with no interest on what was happening on the pitch. I expected the Forest fans to be happy at the end as they'd won, but they were even more venomous. I also suspect that there were a lot of "Derby" fans there who don't usually go to away matches. Some certainly weren't there to sing and get behind the team. Strange behaviour. I have been to Leeds many times and find their support of their team loud and intimidating but not felt any of the hatred that I experienced yesterday. I won't be going back. How would our fans get tickets if they don't go to many away games? Needs sorting out if true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said: How would our fans get tickets if they don't go to many away games? Needs sorting out if true. I don't know and maybe they have but they don't normally behave so badly. I think that I am rather naive and thought that because it was Forest we would all get behind the team and sing our hearts out for 90 minutes but we didn't. There were pockets, but not the wholehearted support I hoped for. Instead a lot of our collective energy was directed to both sides and even above, trying to wind up the Forest fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, angieram said: There was a "suggestion" on their big screen that we wait behind in the stadium, but it was at the far end of the ground and only up for a few seconds. We did stay in the ground, as I hate crushes, but when we did exit we still got funnelled into the convoy, which was moving by then. To be honest, I found the whole situation between the two sets of fans all afternoon very frightening and quite vile. I was standing quite close to the Forest fans at the game and there were fans on both sides who were clearly there just to goad and spit vitriol at each other with no interest on what was happening on the pitch. I expected the Forest fans to be happy at the end as they'd won, but they were even more venomous. I also suspect that there were a lot of "Derby" fans there who don't usually go to away matches. Some certainly weren't there to sing and get behind the team. Strange behaviour. I have been to Leeds many times and find their support of their team loud and intimidating but not felt any of the hatred that I experienced yesterday. I won't be going back. I dont get it Angie, afterall it is just a game regardless of what anyone says. Last season at PP for the forest game an away supporters bus pulled up in front of us as we walked to the ground, it was ridiculous the venom. banging on windows, seriously think planet of the apes it was that bad, and it wasnt just young people it was old people too. Football is supposed to be for all people of all ages, no one wants to witness it, but especially kids or elderly people. If people could behave themselves you wouldnt need police convoys, but sadly the minority who for whatever reason cannot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Just now, Paul71 said: I dont get it Angie, afterall it is just a game regardless of what anyone says. Last season at PP for the forest game an away supporters bus pulled up in front of us as we walked to the ground, it was ridiculous the venom. banging on windows, seriously think planet of the apes it was that bad, and it wasnt just young people it was old people too. Football is supposed to be for all people of all ages, no one wants to witness it, but especially kids or elderly people. If people could behave themselves you wouldnt need police convoys, but sadly the minority who for whatever reason cannot. Agree. We walked back to the station with our friends, whose 16 year old daughter pointed out that all the disgraceful behaviour from our fans were from people old enough to know better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 38 minutes ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said: It might have been a poor decision on the part of the police, but the blame for any trouble should almost always go to the fans. It's not hard to stand around for five minutes when it's clear that the aim is to try and make things safer for people. I was right in the middle of it all and never would have dreamed of trying to fight the Forest fans. But the Police should know how crowds react, they don't just stand around. The Police have supposedly been trained in dealing with these situations. It must have been very frightening for some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestKentRam Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 54 minutes ago, angieram said: The whole situation with the contrived police escort of fans back to the station (even if you didn't want to go there!) It does seem odd that the assumption is all Derby fans wanted to go back to the train station and needed to be herded there like sheep ?. I didn't fancy a post match tour of the city under police escort with my car parked a few mins in the opposite direction! If it was made clear all Derby fans would be walked to the train station I would have stayed put and had a ponder about how to get back to the car, rather than join the mass initially held back by the police line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Brolly Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 34 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said: How would our fans get tickets if they don't go to many away games? Needs sorting out if true. Simple just buy an away membership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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