AndyinLiverpool Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 1 minute ago, kingsy1884 said: Can't imagine the welcome he gets at PP next season if he plays us. I expect it will be horrendous. He'll have picked up a knock in training that will keep him out etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingsy1884 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, AndyinLiverpool said: He'll have picked up a knock in training that will keep him out etc etc Well it's that or i suspect people will see him crying on tele again. Edited May 11, 2021 by kingsy1884 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said: He'll have picked up a knock in training that will keep him out etc etc A knock, you say? Mel Morris takes his revenge... Edited May 11, 2021 by Coconut AndyinLiverpool 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 13 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said: I don't know the finer details of the case and I'm no lawyer but first, getting pissed is not gross misconduct, so you'd have to show that the reasons he was unable to do his job were down to him. Now, he wasn't driving and did he know what sort of state the driver was in? Was he even conscious? So you'd have to establish negligence or reputational damage or some such. As soon as he is in that car, the driver is responsible for him. It's far easier to make the case for the driver being negligent. Yet the driver remained employed. Drink driving, I suggest is far more damaging to the club's reputation. If an employer doesn't think twice about sacking someone who got pissed and got injured, I suspect that they would find themselves in the same position as Derby County is in right now. Er no - any employer can terminate your employment because you are to sick/ injured to carry out your duties ( obviously you need to follow procedures correctly ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 I suppose we did save on a very large national insurance bill ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 21 minutes ago, DarkFruitsRam7 said: I don’t care if he had a good case or not. If I was the club captain, got pissed, got in the back of a drunk’s car and ended up putting myself out of action for 12 months, I’d grow some balls, take some responsibility and accept the inevitable sacking as punishment for my stupidity. Exactly this. The article says: "The PDRC [Player Related Dispute Commission] held that Mr Keogh had not committed gross misconduct, that he had not brought the club into serious disrepute and that he had been wrongly dismissed by the club.” What utter drivel. And contemptuous that Keogh wouldn't take the proposed pay cut but wanted to sit on his arse collecting his millions for what should be clear to anyone was committing gross misconduct and bringing the club into serious disrepute. He even knocked Theresa May's Brexit deal off the front pages! He knows it was entirely his fault and his actions now risk the future of the club and the community that surrounds it. If I ever see him at Pride Park he'll get the mother of all booing. Shame on him. Finch, Zag zig, angieram and 7 others 2 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Sparkle said: Er no - any employer can terminate your employment because you are to sick/ injured to carry out your duties ( obviously you need to follow procedures correctly ) Indeed. The procedures are very tight and numerous. And if you don't get it right, it costs. eg £2,300,000 kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 They could have sacked legally but cocked it up. This is all about FFP. We should have sacked Lawrence and Bennett as well but couldn't afford to write off the player's value. It is fitting that this came out on the same day as the EFL appeal. The seeds of this were planted in the summer of 2014. therams69 and Anon 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 59 minutes ago, Angry Ram said: Was the correct process followed? Morris has history of thinking he is above employment law. This in the end must have been what it came down to. It doesn’t matter if punishment was different, or if guilty of gross misconduct, if the correct employment law process isn’t followed then the club loses. therams69 and kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 Just now, Carl Sagan said: Exactly this. The article says: "The PDRC [Player Related Dispute Commission] held that Mr Keogh had not committed gross misconduct, that he had not brought the club into serious disrepute and that he had been wrongly dismissed by the club.” What utter drivel. And contemptuous that Keogh wouldn't take the proposed pay cut but wanted to sit on his arse collecting his millions for what should be clear to anyone was committing gross misconduct and bringing the club into serious disrepute. He even knocked Theresa May's Brexit deal off the front pages! He knows it was entirely his fault and his actions now risk the future of the club and the community that surrounds it. If I ever see him at Pride Park he'll get the mother of all booing. Shame on him. Did he? Or was it the accident caused by drink driving that one of the drivers ran away from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, sage said: They could have sacked legally but cocked it up. This is all about FFP. We should have sacked Lawrence and Bennett as well but couldn't afford to write off the player's value. It is fitting that this came out on the same day as the EFL appeal. The seeds of this were planted in the summer of 2014. So can we blame the EFL for the fact that we didn't sack Lawrence and Bennett?? Finch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 Anyone remember when we didn't make headlines? That was cool Angry Ram 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Alpha said: Anyone remember when we didn't make headlines? That was cool We are getting them all out of the way,well,today's anyway. Edited May 11, 2021 by kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouRams Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, AndyinLiverpool said: Did he? Or was it the accident caused by drink driving that one of the drivers ran away from? An accident that could’ve been avoided if a responsible captain took his keys off him and ordered them all a taxi... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 Tomorrow’s going to be a good day ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIMBAUD Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 More evidence of the club being run in an arrogant way. Rotten. Finch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Contain Nuts Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, RIMBAUD said: More evidence of the club being run in an arrogant way. Rotten. The only arrogance on display here is from Keogh & his agent. Bite the hand that feeds you, then sue the hand for trying to feed you less than you think you deserve. Edited May 11, 2021 by Coconut Finch, rammieib and Steve How Hard? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong said: We are getting them all out of the way,well,today's anyway. It's gone from funny to embarrassing and back to funny again. What could Derby do that would surprise you? Seriously, come August would you be shocked if they were signing Mbappe but playing on Chadd Park? Nutters ariotofmyown and kash_a_ram_a_ding_dong 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPlinkett Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 Should have sacked all 3 players IMO. (4 if its true there was another player in the vehicles). Fully understand the issues with Keogh not being able to play but by not sacking the other two players who were in receipt of criminal convictions was the big mistake, they barely were punished, Lawrence only missed one game from memory. Maybe had the club showed consistency then Keogh would not have been awarded the 2.3m. Finch, Deej and WharfedaleRam 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 1 minute ago, YouRams said: An accident that could’ve been avoided if a responsible captain took his keys off him and ordered them all a taxi... This is true. I don't think anyone can defend Keogh's behaviour, lack of judgement and so on. I do wonder (and I don't think we'll ever know) what he was told in the lead up to that ill-advised bonding session. Was he told that he was in charge and responsible or was he told not to worry about it and just go and have a good time. Was it an official work function? Was he off duty or on? What does it say in the DCFC code of conduct about such things? Does the captain have a different code of conduct from the rest of the squad? Yes, his behaviour was poor but was it sackable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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