Charlton Athletic (A) Match Thread

[BramcoteRam84]

Didn’t follow much of the game today, but managed to get the last 5 mins and looked at the stats, very quick to sum up how the game went.

We need to be balanced in our criticism. Brentford and Charlton are the only truly bad performances we’ve had. However more performances like today and pressure could mount on Cocu unfortunately. 

In my view we’ve got to give him time. He’s won stuff, he’s built teams and promoted youth. Many including me thought last season under Frank would be a transition season. It would have been but Frank managed to get Mount Wilson and Tomori. Looks like this is the year we need to accept mid-table mediocrity which I’m fine with, but a promotion campaign should be minimum requirement next season.

[Ken Tram]

I can't say that we was robbed this afternoon! 

But, when I got home - I had a nice surprise - a burglar had helped themselves to my stuff!

[Gee SCREAMER !!]

34 minutes ago, LincsRam said:

Commented during the game at times on here about the lack of energy, I switched the match off at 3-0.

Thoughts....

1. We have just had over a week off? why did we look tired throughout?

2. What is with the crappy playing the ball across the back four as much as possible inviting pressure or this where the midfield keeps playing it back to a defender when they have space to turn and drive forward? is the intention to get the ball to Roos so he can hoof it up to Charlton to give them possession. I understand sucking the attackers in and a quick break, geez Liverpool did it for years in the 70's .... we are not Liverpool, on todays showing we are not Accrington Stanley either.

3. There was no tempo from us today, that should have changed at half time, the manager & coaching staff should have seen that & sorted it out.

4. I realise the goals at times where embarrassing but I must say the 1st & 3rd where worldies, the first one he could have hit that shot 10 times and nine times it would have gone over, real quality shooting. I will say nothing about the positioning of our defence ?

5. Every time we play a team who does a high-press we get over run, all of our players have a couple of mistakes in them so end up giving the ball away in bad positions.

 

think this sums it up.

[BucksRam]

19 minutes ago, Ken Tram said:

I can't say that we was robbed this afternoon! 

But, when I got home - I had a nice surprise - a burglar had helped themselves to my stuff!

Happened to me once so feel your pain.  Not sure I would have typed such a polite message as you based on how I felt at the time!

[IslandExile]

Could be worse, could be Tottenham.

Actually, notice in that game, Will is out of favour at Watford, dropped to subs bench.

Could we........?

[Andicis]

2 hours ago, IslandExile said:

Could be worse, could be Tottenham.

Actually, notice in that game, Will is out of favour at Watford, dropped to subs bench.

Could we........?

Yeah, definitely worse to be a side that is having a little slump in the Premier League whilst playing in their billion pound stadium as opposed to losing 3-0 away to ducking Charlton. I do wish we could get Will back though. I'd happily sell most of our team to fund it.

[Archied]

3 hours ago, Andicis said:

Yeah, definitely worse to be a side that is having a little slump in the Premier League whilst playing in their billion pound stadium as opposed to losing 3-0 away to ducking Charlton. I do wish we could get Will back though. I'd happily sell most of our team to fund it.

Don’t think selling ALL of our team would cover it

[NottsRam77]

15 hours ago, Bob The Badger said:

Well tbf everybody wanted Frank to stay, so that's a moot point.

As for Rowett, well let's just say you were wrong to want to keep him *IF* you are remotely bothered by what he's achieved since. And the fact that he's not had to bother his bank to deposit a paycheck in 10-months.

I wanted to stability ... that’s it 

I believe that’s the way this club will get where it wants ... what I’m saying although I desperately crave stability here I don’t think cocu is the right man for this job I’m seeing nothing in his team selections and tactics that makes me think he’s the right man for this job 

love them or hate radio Derby nailed it 

[SSD]

Conceding goals at the worst times cost us the game yesterday. I think our full backs have an allergy to cutting out crosses, what is it with defending nowadays and not shutting out crosses into the box? They seem to be scared of getting beat by wingers. Just close the ball down.

People can moan about not creating enough chances, how are the forwards meant to get 10-15 decent shots off when the team is conceding within the first ten mins of matches? Cocu has to sort it out at the back, just to give us a fighting chance when we play away. 

I think Roos has had enough chances in goal now. He’s had nearly a calendar year of matches under his belt and he hasn’t consistently performed well enough. He’s everything I don’t like about modern goalkeepers. Too many flash saves, not enough presence to command his area. Punching rather than catching. Maybe it’s me sounding like an old fart. The guy is tall and has a good physique, why doesn’t he use it to his advantage? Very frustrating, if he could change a few aspects of his game, he’d be solid. Think it’s time for Hamer to have a go.

Having said all this, I think already my expectations are coming a reality. We look a top half team in my view. Losing our 3 best players, 2 of which are now in the England squad, was always going to hurt the team. Especially when our recruitment has been terrible for years, we can’t expect Cocu to turn it around in a season. The manager has all the credentials for me to trust him, I think he needs to adapt his style to the league but it will take time. 

[NottsRam77]

Mark my words if we serve up the same lack of passion, desire and Tactics against forest that we have in the last few away games cocu isn’t going to survive the forest game 

can someone please tell me what the actual duck rosenior is bringing to the table 

championship specialist Cos he watched a season of so of sky sports ??

[Mucker1884]

Well, I missed yesterday's events due to other stuff, and have read next to nothing on this thread... Can't imagine I've missed much!

On the bright side, there'll be an extra body at home games for the foreseeable, as my son will be joining me for the foreseeable... I just hope and pray The Rams pick up from here... he needs some positives right now!  

UTR

[NottsRam77]

12 hours ago, ramtique said:

I got slaughtered by a few on here for saying similar both during and after the Luton game.. ‘wristslasher’ and the usual nonsense. How could I complain about a 2-0 win? Well, like you Ramfan1958, I’ve been watching for 45 years - have seen the good times and the more regular bad! After what I saw vs Luton, today was absolutely no surprise at all!

I have some sympathy for Cocu and the situation he inherited, but to anyone who’s followed the fortunes of this club as long as we have, he was probably the wrong guy at the wrong time. His lack of knowledge of the Championship is being badly exposed. It was something the club obviously recognised with the appointment of Rosenior, but even his credentials are proving questionable. 

Anyone who thinks this team- even with a fading Rooney - are going to be anywhere near the top so this season are deluded. For all that, I hope Mel doesn’t knee-jerk again and get rid - for all he has so brilliantly done for the club, several hasty and poor appointments are partially responsible for where we stand today. 
But if Cocu’s slow, possession-based is to succeed - and I’m not convinced it ever will in this division - he is going to need the time to completely overhaul a team that is clearly not good enough to achieve his vision. 
 

We are all going to have to accept this season is going to be a mediocre one. I’m sure we’ll pick up enough results to not be seriously in any danger, but I guess what we all need to see is a plan taking shape and some measure of improvement. Let’s see if that’s the case post-January...

Agree with all that 

question though.... how much do u trust cocu in January 

his signings so far are proving very very average and in bieliks case quite possibly an expensive mistake ... he’s reminding me more and more of kazmicheczh with every game that passes 

[Sith Happens]

14 hours ago, AdamRam said:

That team had been built over a number of years though, just needed a decent manager to come in and get them playing football.

Not if you average it out i bet, Mason Bennett has been here about 50 years so the average length now must be much higher.

[Jimbo Ram]

9 hours ago, LincsRam said:

Commented during the game at times on here about the lack of energy, I switched the match off at 3-0.

Thoughts....

1. We have just had over a week off? why did we look tired throughout?

2. What is with the crappy playing the ball across the back four as much as possible inviting pressure or this where the midfield keeps playing it back to a defender when they have space to turn and drive forward? is the intention to get the ball to Roos so he can hoof it up to Charlton to give them possession. I understand sucking the attackers in and a quick break, geez Liverpool did it for years in the 70's .... we are not Liverpool, on todays showing we are not Accrington Stanley either.

3. There was no tempo from us today, that should have changed at half time, the manager & coaching staff should have seen that & sorted it out.

4. I realise the goals at times where embarrassing but I must say the 1st & 3rd where worldies, the first one he could have hit that shot 10 times and nine times it would have gone over, real quality shooting. I will say nothing about the positioning of our defence ?

5. Every time we play a team who does a high-press we get over run, all of our players have a couple of mistakes in them so end up giving the ball away in bad positions.

 

Any positives ?

[nottingram]

Can we just be clear that we are obviously not going to get relegated and I don’t really understand why some posters are pissing their pants about it being a possibility.

Bristol City aside (themselves dicked 3-0 yesterday and by a much much worse side than we were at that) we have lost the fewest games outside of the top 6. While in no way good enough, days like yesterday happen, they happened under McClaren, under Rowett and under Lampard. The squad is a complete and utter mess which is a direct by product of manager after manager operating with short term goals. Cocu seems to take a long term view and at worst the entire club will be in a better place at least financially if he is given time, in my opinion. I think bad decisions were made in the summer, seen many posters whinging Bielik is now a rubbish signing despite it being viewed almost unanimously positively at the time, he has shown enough that he’ll be fine I think, (although despite Shinnie looking impressive I think having both of them clogs the midfield up too much). 
 

Anyway, Cocu has to be given time. Think it is a spoiled reaction to suggest we should be doing loads better than we are. I don’t get it, if our manager is rubbish and our players are rubbish then surely we are doing brilliantly to be where we are. In truth given our issues we are probably about right. I think there are mentality issues in the squad with players who either can’t or won’t work hard enough to win games. It is Cocu’s responsibility to weed those players out but it is not just as easy as that as there are financial issues at play as well

[chadlad]

May be a bit harsh but having watched the replay, all 3 goals against could have been prevented by a confident and dominant keeper.

Ben Hamer may not be any better than Roos but now is the time to find out.

[G STAR RAM]

14 minutes ago, nottingram said:

Cocu seems to take a long term view 

Not saying you are wrong but what have you seen so far to suggest this?

[Tyler Durden]

The team on the field seems to mirror Cocus personality off it :-

Cautious

Devoid of passion 

Studied but no end product 

 

Worrying. 

[TheresOnlyWanChope]

20 minutes ago, nottingram said:

Can we just be clear that we are obviously not going to get relegated and I don’t really understand why some posters are pissing their pants about it being a possibility.

Bristol City aside (themselves dicked 3-0 yesterday and by a much much worse side than we were at that) we have lost the fewest games outside of the top 6. While in no way good enough, days like yesterday happen, they happened under McClaren, under Rowett and under Lampard. The squad is a complete and utter mess which is a direct by product of manager after manager operating with short term goals. Cocu seems to take a long term view and at worst the entire club will be in a better place at least financially if he is given time, in my opinion. I think bad decisions were made in the summer, seen many posters whinging Bielik is now a rubbish signing despite it being viewed almost unanimously positively at the time, he has shown enough that he’ll be fine I think, (although despite Shinnie looking impressive I think having both of them clogs the midfield up too much). 
 

Anyway, Cocu has to be given time. Think it is a spoiled reaction to suggest we should be doing loads better than we are. I don’t get it, if our manager is rubbish and our players are rubbish then surely we are doing brilliantly to be where we are. In truth given our issues we are probably about right. I think there are mentality issues in the squad with players who either can’t or won’t work hard enough to win games. It is Cocu’s responsibility to weed those players out but it is not just as easy as that as there are financial issues at play as well

Nothing is obvious. If we play like yesterday consistently, yes we will get relegated.  I don't think we will but I hope players aren't that complacent. We shouldn't be getting beaten 3-0 by Forest, Brentford and Charlton. That is enough for alarm bells surely. We were lucky against Luton. We look a poor side at the moment. On the other hand, we have some good players and if everyone steps up, we could do well. It's a tight division. We could go down. We could also go up. I think effort and desire will play a bigger role in this division this season as a lot of teams are so closely matched.

[nottingram]

1 minute ago, G STAR RAM said:

Not saying you are wrong but what have you seen so far to suggest this?

His development of young players in his previous role (although I understand this is something of a necessity in Holland), use of young players here - I think Knight will be back in and a key player by Christmas personally and Buchanan would be more involved if he wasn’t allegedly involved in a certain off field incident. I also think he is reluctant to rely too heavily on our loan players (although that might also be because they’re rubbish) 

I also get the impression he is fairly philosophical with respect to performances. I would imagine he would be fuming at the nonsense served up yesterday and at Brentford but when I listen to him speak I just get a gut feel he almost sees it as necessary pain while he imparts his philosophy.

i might be wrong on all of it but it’s just a gut feel I get. To varying degrees our last few managers have been short term orientated and so I really do just think someone needs to be given some time