BBG83 Posted September 3, 2019 Author Share Posted September 3, 2019 23 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: “Do you not think players are too comfortable sitting on a good wage?” Lawrence. Does he look comfortable prancing around not really earning his wage?. Someone mentioned Keogh being the highest paid player. He puts the effort in but is prone to mistakes and there’s a lot of fans want him gone. Now if he wasn’t at Derby where realistically would he move to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenBr Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 53 minutes ago, CocuCrazyCocuMad said: I’m not sure I follow you. Im not saying they lack effort, quality, experience, etc. Individually (apart from Lawrence). Collectively they do. It doesn’t matter if the highest paid player puts the effort in, if the loan signing doesn’t - for example. The squad overall lacks quality. And a leader who isn’t prone to errors which leads to half the supporters saying he should leave every other game. What the hell do you mean then? You explicitly asked "Do you not think players are too comfortable sitting on a good wage?" Absolutely nothing to do with team performance. We don't really have many players on stellar wages here anymore - they've all left. You ask are they too comfortable with this wage and my reply is no they are not - none of the problems against Brentford were because they weren't putting effort in which is exactly what you implied. Tom Lawrence used to stay behind with Mount and Wilson to practice freekicks, etc - its not for lack of effort that we were poor. And I assume you are blaming Keogh for the issues in that last sentence, which is quite frankly ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenBr Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 19 minutes ago, CocuCrazyCocuMad said: Lawrence. Does he look comfortable prancing around not really earning his wage?. Someone mentioned Keogh being the highest paid player. He puts the effort in but is prone to mistakes and there’s a lot of fans want him gone. Now if he wasn’t at Derby where realistically would he move to? Lawrence puts the effort in - he has been poor recently and usually I'd be the last to defend him, but this is just WUMing of the highest order. You could argue he isn't worth his wage at the moment because he's not creating anything, but that goes for the entire team - if the midfield could actually get the ball to the front 3 he might actually get a chance. Where would Keogh go to? Any top championship side - one of the best defenders in the league - one of our best players under numerous managers now - the only people who want him gone are the people who can't forget the loss to QPR 5 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBG83 Posted September 3, 2019 Author Share Posted September 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, GenBr said: What the hell do you mean then? You explicitly asked "Do you not think players are too comfortable sitting on a good wage?" Absolutely nothing to do with team performance. We don't really have many players on stellar wages here anymore - they've all left. You ask are they too comfortable with this wage and my reply is no they are not - none of the problems against Brentford were because they weren't putting effort in which is exactly what you implied. Tom Lawrence used to stay behind with Mount and Wilson to practice freekicks, etc - its not for lack of effort that we were poor. And I assume you are blaming Keogh for the issues in that last sentence, which is quite frankly ridiculous. I’m not blaming Keogh at all. But many do. The stick that guy gets you’d think he’d leave. But I doubt he could earn as much elsewhere or even play for a club as good as Derby. An example of being comfortable. Martin should really be throwing a transfer request in. But I guess again that he’s comfortable. Be nice if Lawrence practiced something other than free kicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, GenBr said: What the hell do you mean then? You explicitly asked "Do you not think players are too comfortable sitting on a good wage?" Absolutely nothing to do with team performance. We don't really have many players on stellar wages here anymore - they've all left. You ask are they too comfortable with this wage and my reply is no they are not - none of the problems against Brentford were because they weren't putting effort in which is exactly what you implied. Tom Lawrence used to stay behind with Mount and Wilson to practice freekicks, etc - its not for lack of effort that we were poor. And I assume you are blaming Keogh for the issues in that last sentence, which is quite frankly ridiculous. Didn't learn much did he ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 6 hours ago, CocuCrazyCocuMad said: You mean Dowell who was very good at Forest and is six games in at a new environment. And Paterson who was exciting at Bristol and has yet to really feature for Derby? Re Dowell, Who told u that mate? i live and work amongst the dirty sods and many of my closest mates are season ticket holders they were unanimously happy we had signed him ... they were even happier when like us they cottoned on cocu appears to want to play him one season ticket holder who’s opinion I value implicitly said of Dowell started well... but always would flit in and out of games and by Xmas I was willing him not to be in the side has taken us 6 games to get the same feeling but then we are smarter than those numpties lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 23 minutes ago, CocuCrazyCocuMad said: I’m not blaming Keogh at all. But many do. The stick that guy gets you’d think he’d leave. But I doubt he could earn as much elsewhere or even play for a club as good as Derby. An example of being comfortable. Martin should really be throwing a transfer request in. But I guess again that he’s comfortable. Be nice if Lawrence practiced something other than free kicks. Why on earth should Martin put a transfer request in? He has a contract we gave him, it's not his fault we won't pick him. He's a model pro. Keogh could earn as much anywhere else in the Championship, because he's a bloody good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thierry Ennui Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Anyone who thinks Keogh is anything other than one of our best players and one of the best defenders in the league really hasn't been paying attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamRam Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 hour ago, CocuCrazyCocuMad said: Lawrence. Does he look comfortable prancing around not really earning his wage?. Someone mentioned Keogh being the highest paid player. He puts the effort in but is prone to mistakes and there’s a lot of fans want him gone. Now if he wasn’t at Derby where realistically would he move to? I’m confused, if Cocu is trying to upset the squad by replacing them with youth, why has Lawrence started every game. Surely if he doesn’t rate him he would be on the bench, replaced by Paterson or someone for example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 41 minutes ago, CocuCrazyCocuMad said: I’m not blaming Keogh at all. But many do. 1 hour ago, CocuCrazyCocuMad said: Someone mentioned Keogh being the highest paid player. He puts the effort in but is prone to mistakes and there’s a lot of fans want him gone. Looks a lot like blame to me. I haven't seen any fans calling for him to leave for a long time now. He was very close to being player of the year last season and has probably been our most consistent performer during our difficult run so far this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Has to be a WUM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBG83 Posted September 3, 2019 Author Share Posted September 3, 2019 29 minutes ago, Andicis said: Why on earth should Martin put a transfer request in? He has a contract we gave him, it's not his fault we won't pick him. He's a model pro. Because he isn’t getting any younger and isn’t getting any game time. And hasn’t really for some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 4 hours ago, Carnero said: ... playing on the left wing ? Might be an improvement though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 minute ago, CocuCrazyCocuMad said: Because he isn’t getting any younger and isn’t getting any game time. And hasn’t really for some time. Of course being ill (colitis) hasn't had anything to do with that. Otherwise spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamRam Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 58 minutes ago, CocuCrazyCocuMad said: I’m not blaming Keogh at all. But many do. The stick that guy gets you’d think he’d leave. But I doubt he could earn as much elsewhere or even play for a club as good as Derby. An example of being comfortable. Martin should really be throwing a transfer request in. But I guess again that he’s comfortable. Be nice if Lawrence practiced something other than free kicks. I’m sure Derby would entertain any offers that come in for Martin, the only point of a transfer request is when the club refuses to sell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Keogh could break both legs and go blind in one eye, however he'd still be available for the match on Saturday and be one of, if not our best player. He's our best player, comfortably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 45 minutes ago, CocuCrazyCocuMad said: Because he isn’t getting any younger and isn’t getting any game time. And hasn’t really for some time. Why hasn't Anya put in a transfer request then by your same logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 6 hours ago, Paul71 said: Seems a great plan, do a crap job etc to get on. On that basis im downing tools at work for a few weeks, gonna send an email to the ceo telling him hes a numpty, gonna nip down and bully the young lad in accounts and tell him hes poo at his job, on my way back i think ill give the fit girl in HR a slap on the arse for good measure. Then ill sit back and wait for the bumper pay rise..sorted. Um..... can you tell us a bit more about the fit girl in HR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie20 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 2 hours ago, CocuCrazyCocuMad said: I’m not blaming Keogh at all. But many do. The stick that guy gets you’d think he’d leave. But I doubt he could earn as much elsewhere or even play for a club as good as Derby. An example of being comfortable. Martin should really be throwing a transfer request in. But I guess again that he’s comfortable. Be nice if Lawrence practiced something other than free kicks. You're wrong - many don't. A very small minority do but because they just can't let it go they bring their vitriol into any thread they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
europia Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Some fair points , but not sure about the conspiracy stuff. I just think Cocu is a bit stunned at how very average the squad actually is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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