TibshelfRam Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 40 minutes ago, ramsbottom said: TBF, Huddersfield have been fined and told to resize the sponsor. Like others have said, this whole episode will be the catalyst to bring about banning gambling companies as shirt sponsors, the same way alcohol & cigarettes went. I'm not against any club trying to maximise profits due to FFP constraints, and I believe that if you become addicted to gambling it won't be solely due to seeing a name printed on a shirt. If anything, I just find it extremely boring to see half the shirts in the league with the same sponsor... As I've said on other threads, a lot of it is down to jealousy. Either people thinking little old Derby County can't be allowed to have a player of Rooney's stature play for us while we're still in the 2nd tier, and the fact most other clubs didn't think of it first. There's a line spoken by John Henry at the end of Moneyball, when talking about Billy Bean's new approach to baseball "The first guy through the wall always gets a bloody nose, always". Mel's getting the bloody nose, but they'll be plenty of other clubs pulling the same trick until they can't. Nobody is saying anything about the Wendies' chairman selling Hillsborough to himself the other month are they? No Mel takes the flack because he was the one who thought of it first. Same with this... "The first guy through the wall always gets sued by Steve Gibson, always" FTFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 1 hour ago, BaaLocks said: To single out one club, or even one player, when the game is awash with gambling sponsorship from all corners of the world is just headline grabbing silliness. Regulation comes at an indistry wide level or not at all - though some clubs could of course elect not to have sponsorship from a gambling company. The question, of course, is whether they then go with food delivery, soft drinks, confectionery, pay day loans, carbon emitting cars / tyres, planet destroying airlines, child brain rotting video games or alcohol companies to replace it. It's the faux offence that gets me with it all - I'm going to bet you (see what I did there) that only four weeks ago half these people were talking about who was favourite to go up from the division, before buying their lottery ticket and sitting down to see if they won the office sweepstakes in Eurovision. Yes, gambling is addictive and it should be treated respectfully. Yes, these companies deploy a lot of the tactics that the tobacco companies use. But the holier than thou outpourings by many smack more of 'come look at me' than of genuine concern for the average fan. The problem is (and it's not a problem i have) it's the person himself Wayne Rooney,not necessarily the sponsorship persay, like it or not Wayne is seen as (with people outside football) not actually the best role model to be used in this instance. WR comes with baggage, cheating on Colleen, gambling, smoking, visiting escorts (all allegedly, putting that to cover my arris) etc and that's why people don't see him as a suitable role model and certainly not a role model that kids should aspire to be,(like it or not he is spearheading this sponsorship deal so kids will see him as a role model) they see it as, understandably, WR has got away with his previous antics because of who he is because he has been in the news more for his off field antics than on it You will see Rooney splashed over the front pages for his predilections with grannies allegedly etc, but not for his goal scoring prowess, that's only on the back pages, his goal scoring doesn't sell papers but scandal does and then he comes to the attention of people outside football. If it was say, Harry Kane, this would not be in the news as it is now. HK has kept his head down,kept squeaky clean, never as i can recall been in the news for anything other than football so the sponsorship would not have been an issue as HK is seen a player kids should be looking up to and parents very happy for their children to follow and admire. Not everybody who has heard of WR is a football supporter, they see him more as someone who can't be trusted because of front page headlines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Brolly Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 you'll recognise Mr wheeler at the next match, he's the 6ft 18 stone man in a xl boys kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 6 hours ago, JAT said: Jut read this article on The Athletic App. Personally I have no issue with 32Red being our kit sponsor. Just like I had no issue with Pedigree or Just Eat, which if you’re. Ring hyper critical you could say contribute to one of the biggest health epidemics of our generation, obesity. I have children who all support Derby and football in general. So like with everyone else will be subject to the constant advertising. Its my job as a parent to educate them about the pros and cons of gambling, as much as the dangers of alcohol and fatty foods. Football clubs are businesses and they have to accept these deals if they are going to compete. https://theathletic.com/1132227/2019/08/13/ramstrust-chair-i-wont-buy-a-Derby-shirt-with-a-betting-logo-on-it/ I agree almost entirely with your post except to say that, whilst they may be the vulnerable, it's not just children that succumb to gambling, alcohol or any other addiction. Therefore, parents educating and protecting their children isn't the only answer. Personally, I'm not 100% happy with being sponsored by a betting company or playing in a league sponsored by another but, that's just the way it is these days and I'm fortunate enough to be able to ignore the advertising - I've never placed a bet in my life (if you exclude the National lottery or buying a raffle ticket for a good cause) and have no intention of doing so any time soon. If I knew anyone with a gambling problem I'd probably feel differently but I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S8TY Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 I have kids and have no problem with Rooneys number or the sponsorship ...they’ll always be something to gripe about ....Rooney wearing 32 will have no influence on me or my family just like watching some violence in a film won’t make my kids into serial killers .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 I accept that we have to get what we can in this unbalanced world. I think the only sponsors that would get me genuinely angry are pay day loan companies. They really do prey on people in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ossieram Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Anybody that gets hooked on something, be that food, gambling or booze, just because the company stick their name on your teams football shirt is a complete cockwomble and they deserve to be exploited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yani P Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Ridiculous to suggest it impacts anyone - gamblers dont ever say if it wasnt for that advert I would never have bet on this that or the other. Anyway gotta dash..in the casino just put the mortgage on 32 red on the roulette.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenBr Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 I don't like any sponsors on the shirts, but the club has to make money. Did people start buying loads of tyres when Avon sponsored us? If you have a problem with betting thats entirely on you and something you need to resolve. The sponsorship on the shirt just lets you know the name of another of the 10 million betting companies that already exist - it doesn't force you to place bets. If merely the site of a betting logo is an issue you'd have to stop walking down the street in case you see a betting shop and just give up on the internet completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mucker1884 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 5 hours ago, BaaLocks said: To single out one club, or even one player, when the game is awash with gambling sponsorship from all corners of the world is just headline grabbing silliness. Regulation comes at an indistry wide level or not at all - though some clubs could of course elect not to have sponsorship from a gambling company. The question, of course, is whether they then go with food delivery, soft drinks, confectionery, pay day loans, carbon emitting cars / tyres, planet destroying airlines, child brain rotting video games or alcohol companies to replace it. It's the faux offence that gets me with it all - I'm going to bet you (see what I did there) that only four weeks ago half these people were talking about who was favourite to go up from the division, before buying their lottery ticket and sitting down to see if they won the office sweepstakes in Eurovision. Yes, gambling is addictive and it should be treated respectfully. Yes, these companies deploy a lot of the tactics that the tobacco companies use. But the holier than thou outpourings by many smack more of 'come look at me' than of genuine concern for the average fan. They could... but then depending on what league they play in, they may also need to consider whether to accept their prize money at the end of the season... or not!! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Can someone please publish the unabridged version this open letter as I would like to read what all the fuss is about myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Just now, Tyler Durden said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 It is pathetic really. Did he write an open letter last year? Like that archbishop fella deciding to announce the evils of betting sponsorship, why didn't he shout up years ago? Its amazing really tobacco sponsorship is banned yet you see more and more yound people smoking now despite what yougov tell us. The only difference it would make to me is if i did gamble i might choose 32red instead of another online bookmaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Just hope that the club have factored in the consequences of the famous Jim Wheeler not buying a shirt into their FFP projections. Seriously, who is he and why does he think anyone cares if he buys a shirt or not? I've not bought a shirt for about 10 years mainly because I think they are a rip off, I wasnt aware that I was supposed to write to my fellow fans explaining my decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosythram Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Please explain to Mr Wheeler that as an adult and a father of three I can honestly say that assigning the number 32 shirt to Mr W Rooney will not effect my life or my children in anyway shape or form. My only advice to Mr Wheeler would be to get a life and if at all possible move on, honestly there are much greater issues in the world. If you’ve got time and the inclination, work towards saving the planet, seriously Wayne and the 32 shirt is not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atherstoneram Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 1 hour ago, GenBr said: I don't like any sponsors on the shirts, but the club has to make money. Did people start buying loads of tyres when Avon sponsored us? If you have a problem with betting thats entirely on you and something you need to resolve. The sponsorship on the shirt just lets you know the name of another of the 10 million betting companies that already exist - it doesn't force you to place bets. If merely the site of a betting logo is an issue you'd have to stop walking down the street in case you see a betting shop and just give up on the internet completely. Like i posted earlier i don't have a problem with this sponsorship, it's money coming into the club,at the moment sponsorship from betting companies is legal. We are on the inside looking out so it's a win - win and looking at it in purely footballing/financial terms but there are people outside looking in who i ultimately fear (and don't have any interest in football whatsoever and couldn't give a toss that a club has to make money) will urge various government bodies that this sort of sponsorship needs looking at purely on the basis of this particular sponsorship because it has become known to the general public and not just sporting fans and i can see the stance of betting companies involved in sponsorship being looked at in a negative light. This seems to be bubbling away just under the surface but i think it will boil over come January. people will put pressure on the government (of any political persuasion) and politicians will want to be seen doing their part in showing that they are taking note of what is being said that gambling is bad purely on the basis that this would be a political vote winner due to the perilous state of politics these days and cannot afford to ignore the drum banging going on. Another case of "don't do as i do, do as i say" "we know whats good for you"which seems to be all too prevalent these days.This could become a political football and not anything to do with sport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 It’s fine for leagues, stadiums, shirts, etc... but put a specific number on the back of the shirt for a well known player and it’s suddenly a problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 I am not sure whether I’m lucky or unlucky. I never win any form of gambling which makes me very unlucky but I don’t bother gambling because I never win so you could say I’m lucky. So to me Wazzer will be squad number 32. I wouldn’t really know what 32 Red was if it wasn’t for all this kerfuffle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 A real conversation between a Derby fan and a Stoke fan.. not much more needs saying really. Looking forward to Saturday when the bad boys of English football, #DCFC, travel to the Bet365 stadium to play Stoke, who are sponsored by Bet365 and have players with squad numbers 3, 6 and 5, in the SkyBet Championship. You forgot the biggest one... owned by a betting company! The Coates family own Stoke and made their money through owning Bet 365. Agreed it’s terrible that we are sponsored by a betting company and play in a league sponsored by a betting company at a stadium named after a betting company against a team who is sponsored by a betting company! But hey who wears the No 32 is diabolical and upsets the church! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellafella Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 18 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said: A real conversation between a Derby fan and a Stoke fan.. not much more needs saying really. Looking forward to Saturday when the bad boys of English football, #DCFC, travel to the Bet365 stadium to play Stoke, who are sponsored by Bet365 and have players with squad numbers 3, 6 and 5, in the SkyBet Championship. You forgot the biggest one... owned by a betting company! The Coates family own Stoke and made their money through owning Bet 365. Agreed it’s terrible that we are sponsored by a betting company and play in a league sponsored by a betting company at a stadium named after a betting company against a team who is sponsored by a betting company! But hey who wears the No 32 is diabolical and upsets the church! Hold on a minute! Bet365 Stadium?!!! Surely Stoke should be banished from the EFL for what is tantamount to compelling thousands of Staffordshire children to a lifetime of betting misery. Surely the Government will dispatch an ACcountant to Stoke to secure the premises forthwith??! Infamy! Infamy! They’ve all got it...etc! Et Cetera... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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