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This whole thing will be blown over in a months time.

It will resurface in Jan for a week or so and then it’ll be done again.

32 Red are in dreamland. They don’t care about the morality here - I bet you can count on one hand the number of people who have quit using them because of this deal. I bet it’ll take 2 million hands around the world to count the amount of extra users they have gained.

And it’s a choice people, and if you get addicted (which I’ve seen others do) it’s not because of this deal.

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2 minutes ago, alexxxxx said:

I'm not worried about increased sponsorship deal paying for Rooney. What I am worried about is that the EFL will try and make an example of us for some reason and that rooney having squad number 32 is against some potential regulation? 

Don't see how they can prove it. Totally laughable that this is what makes it all too far. Nevermind having stadiums named, surprised all Stoke fans aren't betting maniacs. 

Maybe they have finally realised the whole thing has gone far enough, but to make a stand with a squad number? Clueless. It is cheap political and moral point scoring.

People need to take responsibility for their actions, those in government, those in the fa and the football league, long before they become all high and mighty at Derby.

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I'm personally against it too but it won't stop me being excited that we've signed Rooney. 

Would rather we could put a charity on our shirts but it is what it is. 

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It's just a lot of pointless and hypocritical posturing IMO and the irony is that the more the church, the government or Steve Whiny-Arse Gibson moan about it, the more publicity 32Red receive. The fact is, you have a bishop bleating about vulnerable kids when the church's own record with youngsters is utterly reprehensible and a government pretending to be concerned when they have done nothing but relax gambling controls since they came to power, much like Blair's government before them.

If anything is to be done, then let's remove all gambling sponsorship from the game completely. After all, it's clearly ridiculous to highlight this one particular facet of our sponsorship when 32Red have deals with 5 other Championship clubs, a total of 17 clubs in the division have gambling sponsors and every single club's kit bears the SkyBet logo!

I smell Sky lobbyist's at work to be honest and let's face it, we all know why that might be the case. 

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I think Mel buying the stadium and then getting Rooney to wear number 32 is a genius little plan he has.

It is a great way to show the people responsible for FFP (or P&S now), that if you want to put strict rules in place then clubs are going to have to find every single loop hole they can to make ends meat.  That is exactly what we are doing, Mel with his business acumen and Stephen Pearce who clearly knows a thing or two, are looking at ways to bring revenue into the club without breaking the rules.

You cannot break a rule if a rule isn't there to be broken, regardless of how unethical it is.

The church go on about gambling being a problem but God was offered 2/1 odds on Adam eating the apple and won! 

Edited by MackworthRamIsGod

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There are no grounds to enforce Derby to change Rooney's number.

Any attempt to kick off about this is hypocrisy - skybet championship.

Other clubs have already set a precedent - bet365 stadium, Salford's number 6 and the super 6 sponsorship, various other teams sponsored by 32Red.

The government should look at far more important sporting issues - Bolton and Bury.

Mel Morris is not thick. He will have anticipated this uproar. And he won't care.

32Red are not thick. They will have anticipated this uproar. And will be rubbing their hands together at the added publicity.

There is no plausible way for the FA. EFL etc to prove that the number is categorically linked to the sponsorship.

The Church of England have never exactly been a beacon for morality. If only they were so keen to practice what they preach - literally.

People are adults. And we should treat them as such. Do I bet? Yes. Does Wayne Rooney's squad number make me more of less likely to bet? No. If people want to bet - they can. Why should be always bow to the 0.1% of the population - its nonsense. What next? We should ban pubs because they promote drinking and alcoholics might not like it. If an adult can't so much as see the number 32 on Rooney's back without being stuck down by the uncontrollable urge to get to the casino then I'd suggest there is already a problem there. Why is my generation so offended by everything? Get a grip.

The FA are going to 'monitor' this. Really? That should take all of 0.5 seconds. January 4th: is Wayne Rooney wearing the number 32? Yes/No - investigation over. What is the purpose?

Will this all die down soon? Of course. Does anybody ACTUALLY care? Of course not. This is just a prime example of public figures scrambling around to get on their soap box and plead social and moral responsibility.

Will Rooney wear the number 32? Probably. I hope so. If only so we can put this matter to bed and demonstrate that there's not actually anything wrong with it.

Will I buy the shirt? No. Because I don't want to. Am I still excited by Wayne Rooney playing for Derby? You can bet your life on it (no pun intended). Am I going to carry on betting £5/10 a week? Yes. But if I gamble away my mortgage then it is entirely and completely the fault of Wayne Rooney and Mel Morris.

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1 hour ago, alexxxxx said:

I'm not worried about increased sponsorship deal paying for Rooney. What I am worried about is that the EFL will try and make an example of us for some reason and that rooney having squad number 32 is against some potential regulation? 

Absolutely. Blatant hypocrisy all around at Government, BBC, EFL. Do they think we are fools? What about Magna Carta? Did she die in vain?! 😮

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I’d put money on it (although 32 red are not offering a market) that Mel was fully aware of the controversy this deal would cause.

And that’s exactly why he did it, the biggest story of the transfer window was not a premiership deal but Rooney to Derby.

And this sponsorship deal means despite the story breaking  10 days ago we are still in the headlines being talked about in a national and international level.

 

well played Mel, very well played.

 

 

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5 hours ago, GenBr said:

So the giant 32red logo on the front of the shirt and the gigantic eye searing advertising boards that surround the pitch with the 32red logo on and the 32red logos that are pasted directly on to the ground around the pitch are fine. But you change the number on the back of one shirt and suddenly you've gone too far?

 

But that's just it... nothing has been changed! 

32 is an established squad number, which just so happened to have not been allocated/registered to a player prior to Rooney coming on the scene.  We haven't taken it off another player to hand to Rooney.  Nobody has had to have their number re-allocated.  

The 32 on Rooney's back will be in exactly the same font/design as all the other shirt numbers.  Same size.  Same colour.

There really is nothing to see here!  

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3 hours ago, TibshelfRam said:

There are no grounds to enforce Derby to change Rooney's number.

Any attempt to kick off about this is hypocrisy - skybet championship.

Other clubs have already set a precedent - bet365 stadium, Salford's number 6 and the super 6 sponsorship, various other teams sponsored by 32Red.

The government should look at far more important sporting issues - Bolton and Bury.

Mel Morris is not thick. He will have anticipated this uproar. And he won't care.

32Red are not thick. They will have anticipated this uproar. And will be rubbing their hands together at the added publicity.

There is no plausible way for the FA. EFL etc to prove that the number is categorically linked to the sponsorship.

The Church of England have never exactly been a beacon for morality. If only they were so keen to practice what they preach - literally.

People are adults. And we should treat them as such. Do I bet? Yes. Does Wayne Rooney's squad number make me more of less likely to bet? No. If people want to bet - they can. Why should be always bow to the 0.1% of the population - its nonsense. What next? We should ban pubs because they promote drinking and alcoholics might not like it. If an adult can't so much as see the number 32 on Rooney's back without being stuck down by the uncontrollable urge to get to the casino then I'd suggest there is already a problem there. Why is my generation so offended by everything? Get a grip.

The FA are going to 'monitor' this. Really? That should take all of 0.5 seconds. January 4th: is Wayne Rooney wearing the number 32? Yes/No - investigation over. What is the purpose?

Will this all die down soon? Of course. Does anybody ACTUALLY care? Of course not. This is just a prime example of public figures scrambling around to get on their soap box and plead social and moral responsibility.

Will Rooney wear the number 32? Probably. I hope so. If only so we can put this matter to bed and demonstrate that there's not actually anything wrong with it.

Will I buy the shirt? No. Because I don't want to. Am I still excited by Wayne Rooney playing for Derby? You can bet your life on it (no pun intended). Am I going to carry on betting £5/10 a week? Yes. But if I gamble away my mortgage then it is entirely and completely the fault of Wayne Rooney and Mel Morris.

Well, that's a darned shame... because if it had have been intended, it would have been right up there with the best of 'em!  Far better than that @Boycie fella can muster!

Accidental pun aside, an otherwise excellent post, sir!  

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Think the questions of morality surrounding the Rooney deal are ridiculous, especially considering other realities within football such as who owns the current English champions. Gaining additional sponsorship from a perfectly legal business vs being owned by a regime who have tortured and executed thousands for their race, sexuality, political identity, gender etc... suddenly #WR32 isn't as concerning. 

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7 hours ago, rammieib said:

32 Red are in dreamland. They don’t care about the morality here - I bet you can count on one hand the number of people who have quit using them because of this deal. I bet it’ll take 2 million hands around the world to count the amount of extra users they have gained.

Though it might have been cheaper and easier to change the company name to '9 Red' and be done with it

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Is it going to be the case that all teams sponsored by Bet 32 have to have shirt number 32 frozen and not issued.

In fairness the intelligence of some people astound me in that all the column inches spent reflecting on this has already achieved what the betting company required.

Free publicity.

I hope we don’t relent and let them all stew in their own self righteousness.

 

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Owd church mek mi chuckle . They go on abart charity and homeless and they have all them big buildings with running water and heating systems empty for prob 75% of the week...hypocrites. 

Edited by Owd miner

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12 hours ago, 86 Schmokes & a Pancake said:

It's just a lot of pointless and hypocritical posturing IMO and the irony is that the more the church, the government or Steve Whiny-Arse Gibson moan about it, the more publicity 32Red receive. The fact is, you have a bishop bleating about vulnerable kids when the church's own record with youngsters is utterly reprehensible and a government pretending to be concerned when they have done nothing but relax gambling controls since they came to power, much like Blair's government before them.

If anything is to be done, then let's remove all gambling sponsorship from the game completely. After all, it's clearly ridiculous to highlight this one particular facet of our sponsorship when 32Red have deals with 5 other Championship clubs, a total of 17 clubs in the division have gambling sponsors and every single club's kit bears the SkyBet logo!

I smell Sky lobbyist's at work to be honest and let's face it, we all know why that might be the case. 

Steve Gibson is probably with us on this one, They are also sponsored by Bet 32 and they also have a player with a 32 squad number

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