YorkshireRam Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 4 hours ago, Owd miner said: Am I reading this reet?? You lot on here trying ta tell professional footballers how ta tek a peno..... really...ffs ... Hilda !!!!!!! In fairness, every single one of Waghorn's penalties this season has been at a save-able height, if you're gonna do that, it's got to be dead in the corners a la Wilson, if not, vary your height to keep the GK guessing? Salah's yesterday is an example of a great penalty: disguises his intent by feigning to go bottom right and then smashes it top left, completely unsaveable and that's purely down to technique. Even if the keeper guesses the right way, there's no stopping it; none of Waghorn's have been like that yet... There's a reason being a good penalty taker is its own trait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCG Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Take them like Mount and the majority of penalties will be goals; only danger then is with nerves and either putting it wide or too high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyPowell Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 On 12/08/2019 at 00:30, Carl Sagan said: You're probably one of those people who thinks penalty shootouts are a lottery. how would you answer this fact Yaya Toure has taken 16 penalties in official competitive games, and has not missed a SINGLE one. Quite astonishing. There is no player in the history of football who has never missed a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 5 hours ago, rynny said: I find it funny the people saying he should have gone the same way as the first, and I'm sure those people would be saying that you should never go the same way if Waghorn had gone the same way and it was saved. His 2nd penalty was right in the corner, it was just a really good save (which he was way off his line for and should have been retaken). Why does a saved penalty mean it was a poor penalty? Because if it's saved then how could it have been a good penalty? A good penalty is hit hard and goes in the top corner. Not sure I've ever seen a keeper save one that is struck there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brammie Steve Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 I tried a fraction pause after the run up, then booted the ball to the opposite side of where the goalie started to dive. It worked a treat, but is it legal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 As david pleat might say, he needs to get a little bit more "elevation on his balls" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wignall12 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Andicis said: Because if it's saved then how could it have been a good penalty? A good penalty is hit hard and goes in the top corner. Not sure I've ever seen a keeper save one that is struck there. So what you are saying is , there's no such thing as a Keeper making the right decision and pulling off a good save.......only poorly taken penalties ? So the Keeper has nothing to do with it ? You've confused me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rynny Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Andicis said: Because if it's saved then how could it have been a good penalty? A good penalty is hit hard and goes in the top corner. Not sure I've ever seen a keeper save one that is struck there. So by your definition any penalty that isn't hit hard in the top corner is a poor penalty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marriot Ram99 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, rynny said: So by your definition any penalty that isn't hit hard in the top corner is a poor penalty? Theres more than just good and bad, if the keeper saves it it's obviously not a good one unless the save is truly sensational which it wasn't the other day, Waghorn' s pen was an average one but the fact all 4 of his pens so far this season have been distinctly average with 2 saved is what has raised alarm bells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB SPORTS Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 4 hours ago, Andicis said: Because if it's saved then how could it have been a good penalty? A good penalty is hit hard and goes in the top corner. Not sure I've ever seen a keeper save one that is struck there. Yes was always coached that you should make sure the keeper's out of the equation first. The only way that they could save it then is illegally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 hour ago, rynny said: So by your definition any penalty that isn't hit hard in the top corner is a poor penalty? No, there is a grey area in the middle. But ultimately, if you don't score how can it be good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 2 hours ago, rynny said: So by your definition any penalty that isn't hit hard in the top corner is a poor penalty? Yes! Thats it. Smash it. Perhaps we should add this to the pre-match jingle, just after the poem ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Kick the penalty into the net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, Rampage said: Kick the penalty into the net What about the ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted August 25, 2019 Author Share Posted August 25, 2019 5 hours ago, TommyPowel said: how would you answer this fact Yaya Toure has taken 16 penalties in official competitive games, and has not missed a SINGLE one. Quite astonishing. There is no player in the history of football who has never missed a penalty. I don't understand why you're quoting me on this. I'm saying penalties are about skill and relentless practising and are in no way a lottery. So I presume from your assertion that Yaya Toure was a very good penalty taker who took this on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wignall12 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 If he'd scored we would not be having this nonsensical debate. Too many Armchair managers who play FIFA and are "experts" . Over a season players miss penalties , scuff free kicks and miss blindingly simple tap ins from two feet. These things even them selves out over a season. So if we had the extra points we would be top , how did that finish for L€€ds last season ? . Take a chill pill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
europia Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 6 hours ago, YorkshireRam said: In fairness, every single one of Waghorn's penalties this season has been at a save-able height, if you're gonna do that, it's got to be dead in the corners a la Wilson, if not, vary your height to keep the GK guessing? Salah's yesterday is an example of a great penalty: disguises his intent by feigning to go bottom right and then smashes it top left, completely unsaveable and that's purely down to technique. Even if the keeper guesses the right way, there's no stopping it; none of Waghorn's have been like that yet... There's a reason being a good penalty taker is its own trait Yes have to agree. I would say 2 in 4 reflects the quality of the spot kicks taken by Waghorn. To his credit, he is obviously willing to 'step up to the plate'. Having said that, if Martyn Waghorn is our best penalty taker (by consensus), then we are probably not going to have a high ratio of penalty success this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 17 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: What about the ball? Good point. If in doubt, kick the ball in the net also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimmu Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 About 1/3 of the penalties are missed. And this data is based on hundreds of thousands of them. How does Waggy do comparing to that? He is not Le Tissier or Litmanen, is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyPowell Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 2 hours ago, Carl Sagan said: I don't understand why you're quoting me on this. I'm saying penalties are about skill and relentless practising and are in no way a lottery. So I presume from your assertion that Yaya Toure was a very good penalty taker who took this on board. i was just pointing out of all the profesional players that have taken penalties there is only one player who can boast a 100% success rates.To me this means its not all about relentless practise,if only it was as easy as you maintain(which is obviously untrue) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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