ramsbottom Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Srg said: 23 minutes ago, John Doe said: Agree with a lot of what has been said above. You've only got to watch some of the season previews/build-ups, and they are all intertwined with the "odds" of this or that happening over the course of the season. I also think though, that some of this coverage spans from that inherent "snobbery" within all mainstream media outlets, that the only league worth discussing nowadays is the Premier League, and the fact that "little old Derby from the Championship" have been able to pull off a deal like this, in the manner that they have done, has pushed a few noses out of joint! I would imagine if a team such as Bournemouth, Crystal Palace, Watford had done this deal, in the same way as we have done, the narrative would be more about what a great deal they have managed to do, rather than what we are seeing in articles such as this. The level of hypocrisy is massive. Considering that MP who came out the woodwork the other day is largely responsible for the laws that allow gambling companies to be so omnipresent in sport is as laughable as the papers moaning, then printing the the racing timetables every day. You can't have it both ways. I agree that there's a bit of snobbery about it all. Little old Derby County signing the likes of Rooney, while not being funded by either Murdoch's cartel or an oppressive oil rich state. How very dare they!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, ilkleyram said: On the Daily Mail website this morning there is a very good comment piece by Martin Samuel making exactly the same point as David's OP and calling out too other clubs including Boro. link for anyone thats interested; https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7339079/MARTIN-SAMUEL-Derby-County-Wayne-Rooney-just-playing-game-lay-off.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, ilkleyram said: On the Daily Mail website this morning there is a very good comment piece by Martin Samuel making exactly the same point as David's OP and calling out too other clubs including Boro. I feel slightly queasy for actively seeking it out on their website, but it's a very interesting article. Interesting last couple of paragraphs - Interestingly, though, after the friction (regarding the stadium sale) of last season, there has been a very muted response to Derby's ruse from their rivals in the Championship. Might this be because Middlesbrough, Leeds and Preston are also sponsored by 32Red, while Birmingham, Blackburn, Bristol City, Charlton, Fulham, Huddersfield, Hull, Queens Park Rangers, Stoke, Swansea and Wigan also have gambling companies as shirt sponsors and are kicking themselves they didn't think of it first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 I never used to gamble but then I watched Wayne Rooney play for Derby and now I can't stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar Lamb Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 When I grew up gambling was seedy. Something 'flat cappers' did on a saturday afternoon, totally uncool! Unforgettably my grandmother told me as I was approaching an adult that if you ever go in a casino just look at all the decor, the staff because you are paying for it, that hit home the odds were stacked against me and I would never really win. The problem is nowadays just look at the adverts, they show trendy smart young chaps all beating the odds and having a great time to boot which I am sorry to say is the polar opposite as they are mug punter pay pigs existing just to fuel the hundreds of millions a year salary the CEOs get. What I also found horrifying over the last few years was the amount of bookies springing up in poor areas, on the doorsteps of the very people that can least afford to gamble FFS! Although we have benefited in the Rooney case, I hope this does gives more exposure and brings to a head the grotesque spamming online and on TV. Easy to curb advertising withing the UK, bill boards TV etc but how it could be done on line where companies will simply register abroad I do not know. Ultimately the gambling industry uses 'our money' to recycle some of it into sponsorship. Not too dissimilar to the EU! Must be a better way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WystonRam Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 hour ago, tinman said: Aren’t those adverts based on the users browsing history? No , i never look at gambling sites and when i go to the telegraph site i see them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Same poo different day. Newspaper methodology. 1. Identify someone/something that is doing well and looks like a good role model to get behind. 2. Build a pedestal up to the exosphere. 3. Place identified target on top of it. 4. Support pedestal, whilst look for weakness. 5. Batter the living poo out of pedestal, regardless of ethics, hypocrisy or lies that take place. 6. Rinse and repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 To be honest I don't really get why gambling is evil. I quite enjoy the odd bet. And if the odd bet becomes betting my house then it's me with the problem not SkyBet. It's not like you don't know what you are getting into. You're not tied into a contract. There wasn't some small print that said they'll keep your money if you win. You know what you can afford and what you can't. That's not to say I have no sympathy for gambling addicts. But the problem is within them. It is interesting listening to @Mafiabob and his perspective. I have a gut feeling that like many other topics the 'anti' group consists of people that haven't faced what they are fighting against This world has a lot of people who feck their own lives up and look for something to blame. To me that's not a problem. The people that do wind me up are those that say "oh no, you're completely innocent of any poor judgement or wrong doings. In fact you are a victim and although I won't spend my time helping you what I'll do is blame a group of people on your behalf and paint myself as a champion of the common man" Off topic but take a certain pub chain that won't heat baby food. Why? Because they have been sued for a baby being scolded. Who is the fecking **** *** that said "well clearly you haven't messed up as parent here. You are the victim and I will campaign on your behalf." Such a blame culture. And poo like this Rooney thing just gives that more momentum. Derby shamelessly advertise betting and this is the reason we have John putting his mortgage on a horse. Poor John. Yes poor John. Help John because John is ducked up. But John ducked John up. But you can't say that because then John doesn't deserve help. He did it himself. Can we not just help John anyway because we all duck up. But let's not pretend William Hill ducked him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/aug/09/church-criticises-wayne-rooney-over-Derby-gambling-tie-up The Church of England, who have been taking money from their worshippers for thousands of years and amassed a fortune with dodging tax are now piping up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamworthram Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Can we have a poll for those of us that had to google the word opprobrium to find out what it means (I like to think of myself as reasonably well educated and intelligent)? Whatever happened to the campaign for plain English? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mafiabob Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, Alpha said: To be honest I don't really get why gambling is evil. I quite enjoy the odd bet. And if the odd bet becomes betting my house then it's me with the problem not SkyBet. It's not like you don't know what you are getting into. You're not tied into a contract. There wasn't some small print that said they'll keep your money if you win. You know what you can afford and what you can't. That's not to say I have no sympathy for gambling addicts. But the problem is within them. It is interesting listening to @Mafiabob and his perspective. I have a gut feeling that like many other topics the 'anti' group consists of people that haven't faced what they are fighting against This world has a lot of people who feck their own lives up and look for something to blame. To me that's not a problem. The people that do wind me up are those that say "oh no, you're completely innocent of any poor judgement or wrong doings. In fact you are a victim and although I won't spend my time helping you what I'll do is blame a group of people on your behalf and paint myself as a champion of the common man" Off topic but take a certain pub chain that won't heat baby food. Why? Because they have been sued for a baby being scolded. Who is the fecking **** *** that said "well clearly you haven't messed up as parent here. You are the victim and I will campaign on your behalf." Such a blame culture. And poo like this Rooney thing just gives that more momentum. Derby shamelessly advertise betting and this is the reason we have John putting his mortgage on a horse. Poor John. Yes poor John. Help John because John is ducked up. But John ducked John up. But you can't say that because then John doesn't deserve help. He did it himself. Can we not just help John anyway because we all duck up. But let's not pretend William Hill ducked him up. In a nutshell this..... I’ve been called a government plant, a industry plant, paid off by industry for my views, paid off by government for my views, a shill, a corporate whore, a liar, in it for the glory (I haven’t ever charged for my vlog or people messaging and I won’t never) and the worst..... not a gambling addict. All because 1) I take responsibility for the mess I got myself into. 2) I will talk to the industry rather than berate and create a them v Us situation. Could tell you what certain campaigners get up to at times..... it’s not for pleasant viewing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Mafiabob said: In a nutshell this..... I’ve been called a government plant, a industry plant, paid off by industry for my views, paid off by government for my views, a shill, a corporate whore, a liar, in it for the glory (I haven’t ever charged for my vlog or people messaging and I won’t never) and the worst..... not a gambling addict. All because 1) I take responsibility for the mess I got myself into. 2) I will talk to the industry rather than berate and create a them v Us situation. Could tell you what certain campaigners get up to at times..... it’s not for pleasant viewing. Sounds like a thread for The Pub... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gritstone Ram Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 If there is a link with his shirt and that it may influence people to have a flutter, so what?? Win win if you ask me. People ought to realise you only gamble what you can afford to lose. In my case I don’t gamble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Day Posted August 9, 2019 Author Share Posted August 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mafiabob said: In a nutshell this..... I’ve been called a government plant, a industry plant, paid off by industry for my views, paid off by government for my views, a shill, a corporate whore, a liar, in it for the glory (I haven’t ever charged for my vlog or people messaging and I won’t never) and the worst..... not a gambling addict. All because 1) I take responsibility for the mess I got myself into. 2) I will talk to the industry rather than berate and create a them v Us situation. Could tell you what certain campaigners get up to at times..... it’s not for pleasant viewing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topram Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Premier league clubs spend 60/70 million on players and get praised for it... we do a little deal with a sponsor and it the worst thing to ever happen to football! Absolute joke, Talksport we’re talking about it, slagging it off then 2 minutes later 80% of the adverts are bloody betting related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinman Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 They should ban new customer offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Git Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Gambling firms have simply filled the void of the (now banned) tobacco companies in sports sponsorship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angieram Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 2 hours ago, RadioactiveWaste said: Well, I mean moralising like that has put me into a right mess. Oh wait, no it hasn't. To be honest, I think that they think that Derby County "shouldn't have nice things like that" and as such, it's wrong that we do. they can all GTF if they think Rooney is somehow a uniquely bad manifestation of gambling advertising. Spot on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtains Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Nobody cares that the National lottery is gambling right https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lotto-results-wednesdays-winning-numbers-18857926 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Just now, Curtains said: Nobody cares that the National lottery is gambling right https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lotto-results-wednesdays-winning-numbers-18857926 How long do you watch a conversation before settling on the most irrelevant input possible? ? Do you have a little notebook? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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