BodminRam Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Mid table finish for me with this team, only pre season I know, but a weakened leeds team beat a team 3,2 that we lost 2,0 to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukedcfc Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 10-12th with current squad, Without Holmes and Marriott bottom 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mckram Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, BodminRam said: Mid table finish for me with this team, only pre season I know, but a weakened leeds team beat a team 3,2 that we lost 2,0 to I’m confused...who did Leeds beat 3-2 that we lost 2-0 to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodminRam Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mckram said: I’m confused...who did Leeds beat 3-2 that we lost 2-0 to? Girona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mckram Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, BodminRam said: Girona We pretty much played our u18s against them, how has that got any showing on what we are going to do this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealhantsram Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 I'll just say this. The two times Derby have been promoted to the Premie League, its been with managers in their first season, largely making do with the squad they inherited, promoting youth and coaching them to better performances. And in both cases they made a very slow start to the season before kicking into life around October. So hang on in there if we don't look the finished article in August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 minute ago, therealhantsram said: I'll just say this. The two times Derby have been promoted to the Premie League, its been with managers in their first season, largely making do with the squad they inherited, promoting youth and coaching them to better performances. And in both cases they made a very slow start to the season before kicking into life around October. So hang on in there if we don't look the finished article in August. Just to counter that with the number of managers Mel Morris has bulleted recently we have also had a lot of managers in their first season who didn't get us into the Premiership....or didn't even get a full first season at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCG Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, therealhantsram said: I'll just say this. The two times Derby have been promoted to the Premie League, its been with managers in their first season, largely making do with the squad they inherited, promoting youth and coaching them to better performances. And in both cases they made a very slow start to the season before kicking into life around October. So hang on in there if we don't look the finished article in August. Not the way I remember it, but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondest Goat Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Unless we have a couple of decent players in on loan I really can't see the current squad finishing in the top ten. If you look at our 2019 performances and then take Mount, Tomori and Wilson out of the team we're pretty much bottom half. Praying I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gee SCREAMER !! Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, therealhantsram said: I'll just say this. The two times Derby have been promoted to the Premie League, its been with managers in their first season, largely making do with the squad they inherited, promoting youth and coaching them to better performances. And in both cases they made a very slow start to the season before kicking into life around October. So hang on in there if we don't look the finished article in August. To be honest, bar Sturridge and Carsley under Smith and Barnes with Davies that isn't may recollection at all. In fact Davies spent a fair bit of money . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenBr Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 38 minutes ago, Gritty said: Ffp means we can't spend much cash at all. That's because we've misspent silly amounts in the past on players (assembling a squad to suit different styles for different managers) and now it's come back to bite us. We're competing against numerous clubs benefiting from parachutes. So yes, we're going to have to box clever, do what we can with the players we've got plus a couple of loans, and accept that we need to go through a painful period of readjustment. It may not be what everyone wants. But ffp means it's necessary. Its 7 clubs on parachute payments next season - West Brom, Stoke, Fulham, Huddersfield, Cardiff, Boro and Hull. They basically get first dibs on any players we may want to sign due to the extra financial muscle and then we get whats left. 14 minutes ago, Mckram said: We pretty much played our u18s against them, how has that got any showing on what we are going to do this season? Nah - doesnt count. Didnt you know we're getting relegated next season? 9 minutes ago, therealhantsram said: I'll just say this. The two times Derby have been promoted to the Premie League, its been with managers in their first season, largely making do with the squad they inherited, promoting youth and coaching them to better performances. And in both cases they made a very slow start to the season before kicking into life around October. So hang on in there if we don't look the finished article in August. Brian Clough finished 18th in his first season with us didnt he? Wish we'd have got rid right there and then - it was obvious he'd never accomplish anything after that. 6 minutes ago, Tyler Durden said: Just to counter that with the number of managers Mel Morris has bulleted recently we have also had a lot of managers in their first season who didn't get us into the Premiership....or didn't even get a full first season at all "Recently". I agree Mel was a bit trigger happy early on, but its been a while since he sacked anyone. Lamps got a full season and Gary got a season and a half before leaving of their own accord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Harford Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, Gee SCREAMER !! said: To be honest, bar Sturridge and Carsley under Smith and Barnes with Davies that isn't may recollection at all. In fact Davies spent a fair bit of money . He brought super Stevie Howard, Oakley, Jones, Bywater ,Leackock and loaned Lupoli in. Sure there were a few more as well. At Christmas he went mental and brought a load more in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chewbacca Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Bottom half finish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irobinson Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 will see what the next few days bring on players in....then take a huge punt on it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambitious Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 hour ago, BodminRam said: Mid table finish for me with this team, only pre season I know, but a weakened leeds team beat a team 3,2 that we lost 2,0 to It's possible that we start the opening day with no players that started that game, so I wouldn't read too much into that. Pre-season in general can be a confusing time, unless there is now a team in Japan better than Barcelona (one beat Chelsea, the other lost to Chelsea). Burton also beat Sheffield United, before losing to us 5-2. Liverpool have also lost nearly every single game this pre-season, but I'd still by house on them finishing within the top 2 this season. I don't think we'll finish outside the top 10. Cocu is a good manager, regardless of the talent in the squad, he should be able to achieve some good results with the players he has at his disposal. I'll wait until the window closes to summarise our window, but we've been incredibly wasteful with our time. It may be that we're willing to pay top £££ for the very best young players at big clubs, so have had to wait for their tours to finish so it's been out of hands. If we're going to rely on teams to lend us players then we have to do it on their time schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mice_elf Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 hour ago, therealhantsram said: I'll just say this. The two times Derby have been promoted to the Premie League, its been with managers in their first season, largely making do with the squad they inherited, promoting youth and coaching them to better performances. And in both cases they made a very slow start to the season before kicking into life around October. So hang on in there if we don't look the finished article in August. In the 2005/6 Promotion Season wee Billy signed the following Players :- Steve Howard Mo Camara Matt Oakley Dave Jones Bob Malcolm Dean Leacock Steven Bywater Ryan Smith Arturo Lupoli (Loan) Darren Currie (Loan) Jay McEveley Stephen Pearson Craig Fagan Jon Macken Tyrone Mears (Loan, then perm) Gary Teale I make that 16 Players signed that Season - SIXTEEN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 I expect a slow start, improving towards the end of the season. I expect young players like Sibley, Lowe and Knight to be integrated and playing increasingly important roles. I expect a top half finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abu Dhabi Ram Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 32 minutes ago, mice_elf said: In the 2005/6 Promotion Season wee Billy signed the following Players :- Steve Howard Mo Camara Matt Oakley Dave Jones Bob Malcolm Dean Leacock Steven Bywater Ryan Smith Arturo Lupoli (Loan) Darren Currie (Loan) Jay McEveley Stephen Pearson Craig Fagan Jon Macken Tyrone Mears (Loan, then perm) Gary Teale I make that 16 Players signed that Season - SIXTEEN! This list just highlights why Cocu is taking his time. What a truly horrific set of signings, I always thought Davies signings made the team worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth's left foot Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Top 10, transition season with the younger squad players getting minutes on the pitch. We need Marriott on the pitch to offset Lawrence. oh, and get that trophy back . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jourdan Posted July 29, 2019 Share Posted July 29, 2019 If Cocu gets the time, patience and backing he requires, I think we’ll finish in the top 6. I think there’ll be challenges and obstacles - they are already presenting themselves - but I just think Cocu will prove his worth given the time to put his stamp on the team and put over his ideas. 2016-17 was an absolute car crash of a season - one in which we had three different managers - and we were still able to finish 9th! I don’t think there are 6 teams in this division that are unquestionably better than us. So why not be hopeful? I just think it’s too easy to be negative and fear the worst. The reality is we are a capricious fan base - we could beat Huddersfield next week and just like that, the whole mood changes. Yes, it’s been a chaotic pre-season. Yes, our preparation has been less than ideal. Yes, we’ve been unusually quiet in the transfer market. Yes, we are highly likely to be behind other teams in our readiness. Yes, there are areas of the team that need addressing. But these are all as a consequence of the uncertainty Lampard brought upon the club by taking so much time to decide his future. Cocu is not really responsible. He is simply trying to pick up the pieces. I don’t see what more he could have done in his short time at the club? Give the bloke time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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