brady1993 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Seen a few people suggest this as a worry about Cocu and similar seen people suggest it as completely irrelevant. So it got me thinking of whether it makes a discernible difference to getting promoted. So in the past 5 years of the 15 promoted teams 8 had previous championship experience as a manager before taking over the club they would get promoted (note that this excludes people who have managed more than a season at that club but hadn't managed in the championship before), with 7 who haven't. Suggesting that it might not mean a big deal. Thoughts ? As an interesting aside: the manager of 11 of the promoted sides had previously been in charge of that club before the season in which they were promoted. Suggesting that there might be something to having managerial continuity. Disclaimer: This is far far from conclusive analysis and was just a quick check at the numbers more than anything. I may spend a bit of time analysing it more thoroughly over the weekend if I get time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 No. Bielsa, Jokanovic, Wagner, Farke. It's becoming an increasingly common trend of foreign managers coming to the Championship and doing a good job, the rules of the game aren't different in different countries, so why should it matter? My view on it, is if they are successful as a manager in one country, they should be able to do it in another. I remember people in England criticising Pep before he came to England and set the league alight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 11 minutes ago, Andicis said: No. Bielsa, Jokanovic, Wagner, Farke. It's becoming an increasingly common trend of foreign managers coming to the Championship and doing a good job, the rules of the game aren't different in different countries, so why should it matter? My view on it, is if they are successful as a manager in one country, they should be able to do it in another. I remember people in England criticising Pep before he came to England and set the league alight. Thanks to £1bn+ in lighter fluid. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiltonoRama Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Because someone has success at one club it doesn't necessarily follow that it will be repeated elsewhere. Cocu had a lot of success in the Eredivisie however it's not the most competitive league around, apart from a couple of times it's generally won by PSV, Ajax or Feyenoord. That being said he's now a Ram so we will all get behind him. COYR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 22 minutes ago, Andicis said: No. Bielsa, Jokanovic, Wagner, Farke. It's becoming an increasingly common trend of foreign managers coming to the Championship and doing a good job, the rules of the game aren't different in different countries, so why should it matter? My view on it, is if they are successful as a manager in one country, they should be able to do it in another. I remember people in England criticising Pep before he came to England and set the league alight. Some players struggle to adapt to the style of play, the weather, family, etc... why should it be any different for managers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andicis Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Ghost of Clough said: Some players struggle to adapt to the style of play, the weather, family, etc... why should it be any different for managers? Because it's different as a player, different number of games, different intensity etc, as a manager, the physical demands won't change. A manager with experience in the Championship may have to relocate anyway, causing those other issues you mention, but I can't see a reason why Cocu should need to change style of management for the Championship hugely, maybe a little more pragmatism would be required due to number of games but otherwise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, Andicis said: Because it's different as a player, different number of games, different intensity etc, as a manager, the physical demands won't change. A manager with experience in the Championship may have to relocate anyway, causing those other issues you mention, but I can't see a reason why Cocu should need to change style of management for the Championship hugely, maybe a little more pragmatism would be required due to number of games but otherwise? Most managers tend to have a preferred style of play and some won't deviate from it. For a manager who likes small, fast players, they may struggle when up against Birmingham, Rotherham, Bolton, Ipswich, Stoke type sides who are much more physical. Not necessarily unwilling to change style, but even to underestimate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Its not like its either "duck to water" or "couldn't stand the food/weather" its probably different in every situation. The noises sound encouraging, and any new manager is a risk, be it Clement, Pearson or Lampard or Mac2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamNut Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Not necessary. If Steve Rands stayed - and i've seen nothing to suggest he went with frank - then there is continuity with him and shay given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuffLuff Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 It’s not necessarily experience that you need, but more that you need to respect it...if that’s makes sense. Appreciate that it’s a competitive league and you aren’t better than anyone. Still think that was Bielsas downfall somewhat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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