Types of transfers?

[RamNut]

Is jozefzoon better than thomas?

[nogbad van 50]

21 hours ago, Millenniumram said:

I think we’ll be having some higher quality players coming in than we’ve had in recent times. We’re a little more clear of ffp now, and with potential new investment on the way, I think we’ll have a bigger transfer budget to get some better players in. Don’t think cocu would have joined if he wasn’t assured when he met the board that a large enough budget would be available to him to improve the squad enough.

Van ginkel is obviously a good player with a lot of different skills, tho tbf he’s extremely offensive and does have some defensive weaknesses. We’re desperate for centre mids but even with cocu I can’t see this one happening, if Chelsea do sell him he’ll have suitors at the upper end of the prem/ abroad I’d think. Mustn’t forget there is a distinct separation between recruitment and coaching nowadays so just like with frank, we might not just sign players cocu has worked with before. Think things could be being worked on already to that end, so wouldn’t be surprised to see incomings before Florida is done.

Don’t want any Joey Barton types at Pride Park thank you!

[RamNut]

We must be regretting the decision to go to florida.

right now cocu would be better off getting his clogs under the table at moor farm. 

[SaintRam]

2 minutes ago, RamNut said:

We must be regretting the decision to go to florida.

right now cocu would be better off getting his clogs under the table at moor farm. 

These specialist athletics institutes are incredible for fitness work. They really are insanely nice facilities, usually - and I can't imagine this one being any different being based in the city of an NFL team.

I doubt there'll be any regrets. Especially when he's in the assessing the squad stage.

[gccrowdpleaser]

14 hours ago, Rampage said:

I wonder if Cocu had other offers. Everton were interested at one.point.

He was wanted by Celtic when Rodgers left but he didn't fancy it.

[David]

16 minutes ago, RamNut said:

Is jozefzoon better than thomas?

The club obviously thought so at the time, and the fact we sold Thomas says he wasn't in our future plans.

Can argue they got it wrong, maybe they have, maybe not, time will tell. Not going to get every one right, some will fly the nest and come back to bite us on the behind.

Let's not forget Jozefzoon is only one year into his contract before writing him off, Vydra didn't have the best of times either. Whilst he didn't play much under Cocu, he will know him well and hopefully how best to utilise him. 

[cheron85]

1 minute ago, David said:

The club obviously thought so at the time, and the fact we sold Thomas says he wasn't in our future plans.

I would imagine the decision to let him go was heavily influenced by Jody Morris - Who seems to know his stuff when it comes to whether youth players are ready for first team action

[RamNut]

2 minutes ago, David said:

The club obviously thought so at the time, and the fact we sold Thomas says he wasn't in our future plans.

Can argue they got it wrong, maybe they have, maybe not, time will tell. Not going to get every one right, some will fly the nest and come back to bite us on the behind.

Let's not forget Jozefzoon is only one year into his contract before writing him off, Vydra didn't have the best of times either. Whilst he didn't play much under Cocu, he will know him well and hopefully how best to utilise him. 

Hopefully he will get better, but the point was really about blocking the opportunities for youngsters. Thomas the star of last pre-season was was never really tried in the first team. Given them some games before hitting the reject button?

[irobinson]

Ha ha transfer forum thread going to go beserk now!!!

 

jordi Cryff  love child ....

[David]

1 minute ago, RamNut said:

Hopefully he will get better, but the point was really about blocking the opportunities for youngsters. Thomas the star of last pre-season was was never really tried in the first team. Given them some games before hitting the reject button?

You can't give every academy player a few games before rejecting them, I'm sure they watched his games whilst on loan at Coventry and made the call to let him go.

It's not really any different to signing a player, watch a load of players, do you go for them or not. 

Those over in Florida you would assume are the chosen ones, selected for Cocu to take a look at, I think what they mean by blocking opportunities is if we see them capable of making the grade, but perhaps needs another year in the U23s with the odd cup game, lets not sign a player on a 3 year deal in that position, possibly where the loan market will be utilised as they go back at the end of the year. 

Left back is a tricky one as you say Max Lowe, but we also have Calum MacDonald and then sign Malone whilst we also have Forsyth.

It's been a problem position for us, my only thought would be they were cautious over Forsyth's fitness and wasn't overly convinced by Max Lowe which is why he spent a season out on loan. 

Forsyth is out of contract in the summer, be interesting to see which way Cocu goes, it's possible we see him leave in the summer and move on one of MacDonald or Lowe. 

 

[Ghost of Clough]

24 minutes ago, RamNut said:

A natural left footed winger/wide attacker is a priority in my opinion.

IF we were to sign a winger it would be for the RW given Lawrence is the only 'certain' starter. Bennett and FloJo battling it out for the RW and Mitchell-Lawson stepping in when required is good enough for me.

24 minutes ago, RamNut said:

that means lawrence can move infield.

personally i'd play 4132 with waghorn and marriott up front and lawrence in the centre mid. I'm not convinced lawrence can do it but its worth a try. Dan Crowley would be better. 

So two midfielders.....plus a left sided footballing centre back. 

 

Cocu favours 433 meaning Lawrence would stay wide left. 4231 or 442 diamond (guessing this is your 4132) are slight possibilities.

433 leaves us with Holmes to play in the advanced 2. Evans another possibility with Sibley, Bird and Knight as backup. 1 maybe 2 signings would be needed.

4231 would mean we have Holmes, Lawrence, Bennett and FloJo as the only senior options for the 3. Sibley, Knight, Mitchell-Lawson and Wilson being the youths acting as backup. We could probably manage with just 1 signing if we used this formation.

442 diamond makes FloJo and Mitchell-Lawson redundant as they don't play any of the roles this system would require. Only Holmes and Lawrence are suited to any of the 3 more advanced players in midfield. Evans could at a stretch, with Bird, Knight and Sibley as backup. We'd need 2 or even 3 signings to use this formation on a regular basis.

22 minutes ago, RamNut said:

P.s. Interesting comments about not signing players who block the progression of youngsters.

last season jozefzoon and malone surely blocked thomas and lowe?

Due to their injury histories, we couldn't rely on Forsyth and Lowe to get us through the season. We needed to sign someone more reliable and got Malone. Lowe also needed to play games to continue his development - so a loan out was perfect for him. I don't think we had any offers for Forsyth (loan/permanent) so the club had little choice. Lawrence and Wilson were first choice wingers, FloJo signed as 3rd choice / backup to Wilson. We needed a senior player as a 3rd choice rather than taking the risk with Thomas and Bennett as our backups due to being relatively 'unknown quantities'. Thomas reached a point where he needed games to continue his development and staying as 4th/5th choice wasn't going to help. Wilson's now gone, FloJo and Bennett step up their contributions to the team and Mitchell-Lawson comes in as the 4th choice.

[SaintRam]

I know people are losing their minds slightly at the amount of first team players from last season we've lost, especially now Johnson has left, but what we need to bring in really depends on Cocu's assessment of the youth players.

Part of trusting in youth is believing you can get more out of them, get bigger performances, than they've ever produced before. A player doesn't just get into the first team because they're absolutely dominating the youth league. They get in because coaches believe they can put in the same level of performance with/against senior players.

Now, everyone knows I'm a big advocate of our youngsters so it'll come as little surprise that I think quite a few of our lads are capable of performing regularly at Championship level. So I, personally, wouldn't be surprised if we only saw a small number of new signings come in. I genuinely believe we could compete with the squad we have now + 2 or 3 signings.

But if Cocu sees our lads and disagrees, which is perfectly plausible, we'll need to really get our skates on when it comes to making signings - as we have a lot of holes to fill. And the more players you bring in, the more "time to settle" is important.

[EnigmaRam]

5 hours ago, Millenniumram said:

 

I reckon 5 perms min, plus the 3/4 loans.

I didn’t listen to Mel but I wouldn’t take too much notice if he said we won’t be busy- classic business tactic to make clubs think we’re not desperate and get players cheaper.

So not double figures then?

[RamLad1884]

Loan midfielder and defender from Chelsea (Tomori and Ginkel would be the ideal) but they'll have other decent loans too. 

Promote Sibley to first team and one of the attacking youngsters (probably Mitchell-Lawson). 

Defense would then have two players for each position, maybe a decent defender from Europe. 

Midfield would have Thorne, Shinnie, Holmes, Ginkel, Sibley and Evans. Dont think we'll see Hudds this season. Maybe a younger energetic unknown to come in? 

Attackers are where the issues are. Martin, Waghorn, Marriott and Bennett all for one spot. Two of them used as wingers with Marriott number 9. Martin might be a decent option but can see us going for Sam Lammers if the budget is there. Lawrence and FloJo wingers plus maybe Narsingh or that type. 

2 Loans + 3 Perms and a freebie. Anymore than that the squad will be far too big. Squad numbers to be trimmed on the attackers and one/two of the midfielders to leave. 

 

[eddie]

Those ones that look like tattoos, but when you sober up they wash off.

[Harrowram]

Type of transfers? Free transfers and loan transfers by the looks of it. Most of the dead wood has gone or is going.

[TommyPowell]

On 04/07/2019 at 11:00, MackworthRamIsGod said:

This isn't a suggestions thread, more what are people's expectations for the type of player we will sign for the coming season?

Cocu suggests to me we have money to spend, but how much?

I've seen Van Ginkel mentioned a couple of times, an absolutely phenomenal player way out of our range normally, could Cocu entice him to come here?

When we got Lampard we all expected to see Abraham and Hudson Odoi, which didn't quote happen ? so maybe we need to manage expectations.

I also don't expect to see anyone arriving until we return from America, I would imagine Cocu would want to assess exactly what he has before spending money.

Whatever happens, I've not been this excited since the Derby shop were selling Miles Addison t shirts for a quid.

He will be on a budget exactly like Franks was but probably slightly more thanks to Frank leaving.

[jono]

There's bound to be 1 "mate" a young player he knows and trusts to deliver who hopefully he can entice and add value. Then I expect a mixture of loans (quality because he is a draw ) and my hope is that we will get some of our own young ones. 

I am a dreamer but the idea of a youthful fearless home grown team with a good coach storming the league fills me with optimism 

[JuanFloEvraTheCocu'sNesta]

10 minutes ago, TommyPowel said:

He will be on a budget exactly like Franks was but probably slightly more thanks to Frank leaving.

We sold Vydra which added a big chunk to Lampards budget so I'd say Cocu currently has less to play with as it stands.

[TommyPowell]

18 hours ago, europia said:

Which will no doubt be unceremoniously put through the shredder. Lampard is an amateur in comparison Cocu, who will have different and better ideas on bolstering the squad. Interesting few months ahead. 

thats ridiculous. Lampard who was a world class midfielder with a twenty years playing career,who according to you is an amateur where player judgment is concerned.Yet you are qualified to pass judgment on his football knowledge.