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Just posting my tuppence worth -

Chris Hughton is a very under-rated manager (just as he was a player). 

He was coveted as a first team coach when at Spurs and after he was let go when Spurs decided on a clear-out when they sacked Jol. He did a terrific job at Newcastle first as coach and then as manager taking them from the Championship to the PL and then got sacked when they were in the top 10 because Ashley wanted a 'world-class' manager - hiring Alan Pardew. 

It is rumoured that Hughton had more than a dozen job offers as assistant manager in the PL after he was sacked by Newcastle. Instead he took his time and became Birmingham manager - with no money and in the Championship - he got the team to the group stages of the Europa League and 4th in the Championship. 

He was then appointed manager of Norwich and in his first season they finished 11th in the PL. The following season Norwich struggled. In April the Norwich board panicked after a defeat to WBA and sacked Hughton when Norwich were five points above relegation with five games to play. Norwich got 1 point from the last five games and were relegated. Hughton was adamant that he would have kept Norwich up,

He took over at Brighton in December 2015 when they were 22nd in the Championship. The following season he led them to 3rd and then a year later to 2nd and automatic promotion. Brighton finished 15th in the PL and then 17th last season as well as an FA cup semi-final (Brighton were in a worse situation than Norwich last season and Hughton got them out of it).

In five seasons in the PL Hughton has not been relegated as manager - in five (full or part) seasons in the Championship he has saved a club from relegation and finished 1st (with 102 points), 4th, 3rd and 2nd, winning two automatic promotions.

The step up from Championship to PL is massive - it takes years for a promoted club to build a squad capable of sustaining PL status - Bournemouth, Burnley and Watford have taken years (with a few hiccups and relegations along the way). These days a promoted club needs to spend up to £100million a year on transfers just to stand still and hope to consolidate. Like all promoted teams - Brighton struggled for want of a striker - you cannot rely on a 35 year old to score enough goals. But Brighton did not buy well last off-season and Hughton did not have control over player transfers - the Brighton brain-trust using Bloom's gambling metrics invested in players they thought could develop and sell-on for big money. Hughton did what he had to do to prevent relegation - and he succeeded.

The average lifespan for a PL manager since 1992 is 91 games (and this figure is grossly distorted by Ferguson, Wenger and Redknapp). Hughton has managed for 164 PL games. More than 60% of all PL managers only ever manage one club in the PL - Hughton has managed 3 clubs in the PL.

There is an utter misconception that Hughton is a defensively minded coach who parks the bus - this is false - a look at his teams at Newcastle and his teams in the Championship who have all played attacking free-flowing football. Hughton was able to do this in the PL with Newcastle because he had the players at his disposal. But, as I said, the step-up from the Championship is massive - and getting bigger every season. Hughton's job was to get Brighton promoted and to keep them there - he succeeded in doing so for two full seasons. 

Often owners and fans develop unrealistic expectations about their club when they get promoted - not realising that it is a massive job just to stand still and avoid relegation. This has happened at Brighton - the assumption that you can make incremental progress in the second season in the PL (when it is actually a very dangerous season for promoted clubs) and thereafter - and that you can play expansive attacking football. To survive you need speed and you need at least one goalscorer who can net 15+ goals and a second one that can get 10. I think Brighton made a massive blunder in sacking Hughton. Potter might work out for them - but in my view he has an inflated reputation (particularly from his time in Sweden). If Potter attempts to play the football he played at Swansea then Brighton will get destroyed in the PL next season - then it comes down to whether Potter knows how to grind out results. 

Hughton is probably the top available option for Derby and Derby should gab him if they get the chance - the real question is whether he would want the job. He's 60 now and spent 4 1/2 years getting Brighton to the PL and keeping them there. Would he want to go through that process again only for an owner to get an inflated view of where the club is at and sack him. It is likely that 2-3 manager will be sacked during the next PL season and all of the clubs will probably give Hughton a call knowing that he can grind out results and keep teams from being relegated. He would then get another shot at a full season in the PL with PL standard players in the squad and money to buy players.

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30 minutes ago, doheochai said:

Just posting my tuppence worth -

Chris Hughton is a very under-rated manager (just as he was a player). 

He was coveted as a first team coach when at Spurs and after he was let go when Spurs decided on a clear-out when they sacked Jol. He did a terrific job at Newcastle first as coach and then as manager taking them from the Championship to the PL and then got sacked when they were in the top 10 because Ashley wanted a 'world-class' manager - hiring Alan Pardew. 

It is rumoured that Hughton had more than a dozen job offers as assistant manager in the PL after he was sacked by Newcastle. Instead he took his time and became Birmingham manager - with no money and in the Championship - he got the team to the group stages of the Europa League and 4th in the Championship. 

He was then appointed manager of Norwich and in his first season they finished 11th in the PL. The following season Norwich struggled. In April the Norwich board panicked after a defeat to WBA and sacked Hughton when Norwich were five points above relegation with five games to play. Norwich got 1 point from the last five games and were relegated. Hughton was adamant that he would have kept Norwich up,

He took over at Brighton in December 2015 when they were 22nd in the Championship. The following season he led them to 3rd and then a year later to 2nd and automatic promotion. Brighton finished 15th in the PL and then 17th last season as well as an FA cup semi-final (Brighton were in a worse situation than Norwich last season and Hughton got them out of it).

In five seasons in the PL Hughton has not been relegated as manager - in five (full or part) seasons in the Championship he has saved a club from relegation and finished 1st (with 102 points), 4th, 3rd and 2nd, winning two automatic promotions.

The step up from Championship to PL is massive - it takes years for a promoted club to build a squad capable of sustaining PL status - Bournemouth, Burnley and Watford have taken years (with a few hiccups and relegations along the way). These days a promoted club needs to spend up to £100million a year on transfers just to stand still and hope to consolidate. Like all promoted teams - Brighton struggled for want of a striker - you cannot rely on a 35 year old to score enough goals. But Brighton did not buy well last off-season and Hughton did not have control over player transfers - the Brighton brain-trust using Bloom's gambling metrics invested in players they thought could develop and sell-on for big money. Hughton did what he had to do to prevent relegation - and he succeeded.

The average lifespan for a PL manager since 1992 is 91 games (and this figure is grossly distorted by Ferguson, Wenger and Redknapp). Hughton has managed for 164 PL games. More than 60% of all PL managers only ever manage one club in the PL - Hughton has managed 3 clubs in the PL.

There is an utter misconception that Hughton is a defensively minded coach who parks the bus - this is false - a look at his teams at Newcastle and his teams in the Championship who have all played attacking free-flowing football. Hughton was able to do this in the PL with Newcastle because he had the players at his disposal. But, as I said, the step-up from the Championship is massive - and getting bigger every season. Hughton's job was to get Brighton promoted and to keep them there - he succeeded in doing so for two full seasons. 

Often owners and fans develop unrealistic expectations about their club when they get promoted - not realising that it is a massive job just to stand still and avoid relegation. This has happened at Brighton - the assumption that you can make incremental progress in the second season in the PL (when it is actually a very dangerous season for promoted clubs) and thereafter - and that you can play expansive attacking football. To survive you need speed and you need at least one goalscorer who can net 15+ goals and a second one that can get 10. I think Brighton made a massive blunder in sacking Hughton. Potter might work out for them - but in my view he has an inflated reputation (particularly from his time in Sweden). If Potter attempts to play the football he played at Swansea then Brighton will get destroyed in the PL next season - then it comes down to whether Potter knows how to grind out results. 

Hughton is probably the top available option for Derby and Derby should gab him if they get the chance - the real question is whether he would want the job. He's 60 now and spent 4 1/2 years getting Brighton to the PL and keeping them there. Would he want to go through that process again only for an owner to get an inflated view of where the club is at and sack him. It is likely that 2-3 manager will be sacked during the next PL season and all of the clubs will probably give Hughton a call knowing that he can grind out results and keep teams from being relegated. He would then get another shot at a full season in the PL with PL standard players in the squad and money to buy players.

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38 minutes ago, doheochai said:

Just posting my tuppence worth -

Chris Hughton is a very under-rated manager (just as he was a player). 

He was coveted as a first team coach when at Spurs and after he was let go when Spurs decided on a clear-out when they sacked Jol. He did a terrific job at Newcastle first as coach and then as manager taking them from the Championship to the PL and then got sacked when they were in the top 10 because Ashley wanted a 'world-class' manager - hiring Alan Pardew. 

It is rumoured that Hughton had more than a dozen job offers as assistant manager in the PL after he was sacked by Newcastle. Instead he took his time and became Birmingham manager - with no money and in the Championship - he got the team to the group stages of the Europa League and 4th in the Championship. 

He was then appointed manager of Norwich and in his first season they finished 11th in the PL. The following season Norwich struggled. In April the Norwich board panicked after a defeat to WBA and sacked Hughton when Norwich were five points above relegation with five games to play. Norwich got 1 point from the last five games and were relegated. Hughton was adamant that he would have kept Norwich up,

He took over at Brighton in December 2015 when they were 22nd in the Championship. The following season he led them to 3rd and then a year later to 2nd and automatic promotion. Brighton finished 15th in the PL and then 17th last season as well as an FA cup semi-final (Brighton were in a worse situation than Norwich last season and Hughton got them out of it).

In five seasons in the PL Hughton has not been relegated as manager - in five (full or part) seasons in the Championship he has saved a club from relegation and finished 1st (with 102 points), 4th, 3rd and 2nd, winning two automatic promotions.

The step up from Championship to PL is massive - it takes years for a promoted club to build a squad capable of sustaining PL status - Bournemouth, Burnley and Watford have taken years (with a few hiccups and relegations along the way). These days a promoted club needs to spend up to £100million a year on transfers just to stand still and hope to consolidate. Like all promoted teams - Brighton struggled for want of a striker - you cannot rely on a 35 year old to score enough goals. But Brighton did not buy well last off-season and Hughton did not have control over player transfers - the Brighton brain-trust using Bloom's gambling metrics invested in players they thought could develop and sell-on for big money. Hughton did what he had to do to prevent relegation - and he succeeded.

The average lifespan for a PL manager since 1992 is 91 games (and this figure is grossly distorted by Ferguson, Wenger and Redknapp). Hughton has managed for 164 PL games. More than 60% of all PL managers only ever manage one club in the PL - Hughton has managed 3 clubs in the PL.

There is an utter misconception that Hughton is a defensively minded coach who parks the bus - this is false - a look at his teams at Newcastle and his teams in the Championship who have all played attacking free-flowing football. Hughton was able to do this in the PL with Newcastle because he had the players at his disposal. But, as I said, the step-up from the Championship is massive - and getting bigger every season. Hughton's job was to get Brighton promoted and to keep them there - he succeeded in doing so for two full seasons. 

Often owners and fans develop unrealistic expectations about their club when they get promoted - not realising that it is a massive job just to stand still and avoid relegation. This has happened at Brighton - the assumption that you can make incremental progress in the second season in the PL (when it is actually a very dangerous season for promoted clubs) and thereafter - and that you can play expansive attacking football. To survive you need speed and you need at least one goalscorer who can net 15+ goals and a second one that can get 10. I think Brighton made a massive blunder in sacking Hughton. Potter might work out for them - but in my view he has an inflated reputation (particularly from his time in Sweden). If Potter attempts to play the football he played at Swansea then Brighton will get destroyed in the PL next season - then it comes down to whether Potter knows how to grind out results. 

Hughton is probably the top available option for Derby and Derby should gab him if they get the chance - the real question is whether he would want the job. He's 60 now and spent 4 1/2 years getting Brighton to the PL and keeping them there. Would he want to go through that process again only for an owner to get an inflated view of where the club is at and sack him. It is likely that 2-3 manager will be sacked during the next PL season and all of the clubs will probably give Hughton a call knowing that he can grind out results and keep teams from being relegated. He would then get another shot at a full season in the PL with PL standard players in the squad and money to buy players.

Agree with above and I for one wouldn't be unhappy if Frank went and we got Hughton. A little like when Jim Smith came and look what happened then 

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Never understood why we’ve never appointed Warnock.

Our goal is to achieve promotion and he’s the man with several. Always been the obvious choice, but because he doesn’t play amazing free flowing football and has abit of charisma he’s not good enough ?

Great man manager, spots a bargain (took Bamba whislt he was on trial here and turned him into a beast) and pretty sure he’d get players performing 100% more often than some managers  we’ve had.

I know Cardiff have ££ but reckon he’d be tempted if we came calling 

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1 hour ago, doheochai said:

Just posting my tuppence worth -

Chris Hughton is a very under-rated manager (just as he was a player). 

He was coveted as a first team coach when at Spurs and after he was let go when Spurs decided on a clear-out when they sacked Jol. He did a terrific job at Newcastle first as coach and then as manager taking them from the Championship to the PL and then got sacked when they were in the top 10 because Ashley wanted a 'world-class' manager - hiring Alan Pardew. 

It is rumoured that Hughton had more than a dozen job offers as assistant manager in the PL after he was sacked by Newcastle. Instead he took his time and became Birmingham manager - with no money and in the Championship - he got the team to the group stages of the Europa League and 4th in the Championship. 

He was then appointed manager of Norwich and in his first season they finished 11th in the PL. The following season Norwich struggled. In April the Norwich board panicked after a defeat to WBA and sacked Hughton when Norwich were five points above relegation with five games to play. Norwich got 1 point from the last five games and were relegated. Hughton was adamant that he would have kept Norwich up,

He took over at Brighton in December 2015 when they were 22nd in the Championship. The following season he led them to 3rd and then a year later to 2nd and automatic promotion. Brighton finished 15th in the PL and then 17th last season as well as an FA cup semi-final (Brighton were in a worse situation than Norwich last season and Hughton got them out of it).

In five seasons in the PL Hughton has not been relegated as manager - in five (full or part) seasons in the Championship he has saved a club from relegation and finished 1st (with 102 points), 4th, 3rd and 2nd, winning two automatic promotions.

The step up from Championship to PL is massive - it takes years for a promoted club to build a squad capable of sustaining PL status - Bournemouth, Burnley and Watford have taken years (with a few hiccups and relegations along the way). These days a promoted club needs to spend up to £100million a year on transfers just to stand still and hope to consolidate. Like all promoted teams - Brighton struggled for want of a striker - you cannot rely on a 35 year old to score enough goals. But Brighton did not buy well last off-season and Hughton did not have control over player transfers - the Brighton brain-trust using Bloom's gambling metrics invested in players they thought could develop and sell-on for big money. Hughton did what he had to do to prevent relegation - and he succeeded.

The average lifespan for a PL manager since 1992 is 91 games (and this figure is grossly distorted by Ferguson, Wenger and Redknapp). Hughton has managed for 164 PL games. More than 60% of all PL managers only ever manage one club in the PL - Hughton has managed 3 clubs in the PL.

There is an utter misconception that Hughton is a defensively minded coach who parks the bus - this is false - a look at his teams at Newcastle and his teams in the Championship who have all played attacking free-flowing football. Hughton was able to do this in the PL with Newcastle because he had the players at his disposal. But, as I said, the step-up from the Championship is massive - and getting bigger every season. Hughton's job was to get Brighton promoted and to keep them there - he succeeded in doing so for two full seasons. 

Often owners and fans develop unrealistic expectations about their club when they get promoted - not realising that it is a massive job just to stand still and avoid relegation. This has happened at Brighton - the assumption that you can make incremental progress in the second season in the PL (when it is actually a very dangerous season for promoted clubs) and thereafter - and that you can play expansive attacking football. To survive you need speed and you need at least one goalscorer who can net 15+ goals and a second one that can get 10. I think Brighton made a massive blunder in sacking Hughton. Potter might work out for them - but in my view he has an inflated reputation (particularly from his time in Sweden). If Potter attempts to play the football he played at Swansea then Brighton will get destroyed in the PL next season - then it comes down to whether Potter knows how to grind out results. 

Hughton is probably the top available option for Derby and Derby should gab him if they get the chance - the real question is whether he would want the job. He's 60 now and spent 4 1/2 years getting Brighton to the PL and keeping them there. Would he want to go through that process again only for an owner to get an inflated view of where the club is at and sack him. It is likely that 2-3 manager will be sacked during the next PL season and all of the clubs will probably give Hughton a call knowing that he can grind out results and keep teams from being relegated. He would then get another shot at a full season in the PL with PL standard players in the squad and money to buy players.

What he said....

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Congrats to both Wassall and Lyons on those pro licenses, always good to have as many highly qualified coaches as we can. Interesting why Wassall would bother tho unless he was looking to switch to management at senior level... we’ll see what happens with him there.

Also, astounded gerrard got the rangers job without having the pro license first... ditto with Lampard.

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1 hour ago, doheochai said:

Just posting my tuppence worth -

Chris Hughton is a very under-rated manager (just as he was a player). 

He was coveted as a first team coach when at Spurs and after he was let go when Spurs decided on a clear-out when they sacked Jol. He did a terrific job at Newcastle first as coach and then as manager taking them from the Championship to the PL and then got sacked when they were in the top 10 because Ashley wanted a 'world-class' manager - hiring Alan Pardew. 

It is rumoured that Hughton had more than a dozen job offers as assistant manager in the PL after he was sacked by Newcastle. Instead he took his time and became Birmingham manager - with no money and in the Championship - he got the team to the group stages of the Europa League and 4th in the Championship. 

He was then appointed manager of Norwich and in his first season they finished 11th in the PL. The following season Norwich struggled. In April the Norwich board panicked after a defeat to WBA and sacked Hughton when Norwich were five points above relegation with five games to play. Norwich got 1 point from the last five games and were relegated. Hughton was adamant that he would have kept Norwich up,

He took over at Brighton in December 2015 when they were 22nd in the Championship. The following season he led them to 3rd and then a year later to 2nd and automatic promotion. Brighton finished 15th in the PL and then 17th last season as well as an FA cup semi-final (Brighton were in a worse situation than Norwich last season and Hughton got them out of it).

In five seasons in the PL Hughton has not been relegated as manager - in five (full or part) seasons in the Championship he has saved a club from relegation and finished 1st (with 102 points), 4th, 3rd and 2nd, winning two automatic promotions.

The step up from Championship to PL is massive - it takes years for a promoted club to build a squad capable of sustaining PL status - Bournemouth, Burnley and Watford have taken years (with a few hiccups and relegations along the way). These days a promoted club needs to spend up to £100million a year on transfers just to stand still and hope to consolidate. Like all promoted teams - Brighton struggled for want of a striker - you cannot rely on a 35 year old to score enough goals. But Brighton did not buy well last off-season and Hughton did not have control over player transfers - the Brighton brain-trust using Bloom's gambling metrics invested in players they thought could develop and sell-on for big money. Hughton did what he had to do to prevent relegation - and he succeeded.

The average lifespan for a PL manager since 1992 is 91 games (and this figure is grossly distorted by Ferguson, Wenger and Redknapp). Hughton has managed for 164 PL games. More than 60% of all PL managers only ever manage one club in the PL - Hughton has managed 3 clubs in the PL.

There is an utter misconception that Hughton is a defensively minded coach who parks the bus - this is false - a look at his teams at Newcastle and his teams in the Championship who have all played attacking free-flowing football. Hughton was able to do this in the PL with Newcastle because he had the players at his disposal. But, as I said, the step-up from the Championship is massive - and getting bigger every season. Hughton's job was to get Brighton promoted and to keep them there - he succeeded in doing so for two full seasons. 

Often owners and fans develop unrealistic expectations about their club when they get promoted - not realising that it is a massive job just to stand still and avoid relegation. This has happened at Brighton - the assumption that you can make incremental progress in the second season in the PL (when it is actually a very dangerous season for promoted clubs) and thereafter - and that you can play expansive attacking football. To survive you need speed and you need at least one goalscorer who can net 15+ goals and a second one that can get 10. I think Brighton made a massive blunder in sacking Hughton. Potter might work out for them - but in my view he has an inflated reputation (particularly from his time in Sweden). If Potter attempts to play the football he played at Swansea then Brighton will get destroyed in the PL next season - then it comes down to whether Potter knows how to grind out results. 

Hughton is probably the top available option for Derby and Derby should gab him if they get the chance - the real question is whether he would want the job. He's 60 now and spent 4 1/2 years getting Brighton to the PL and keeping them there. Would he want to go through that process again only for an owner to get an inflated view of where the club is at and sack him. It is likely that 2-3 manager will be sacked during the next PL season and all of the clubs will probably give Hughton a call knowing that he can grind out results and keep teams from being relegated. He would then get another shot at a full season in the PL with PL standard players in the squad and money to buy players.

I hope you managed to put all this in your application Chris ?

 

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6 minutes ago, Millenniumram said:

Congrats to both Wassall and Lyons on those pro licenses, always good to have as many highly qualified coaches as we can. Interesting why Wassall would bother tho unless he was looking to switch to management at senior level... we’ll see what happens with him there.

Also, astounded gerrard got the rangers job without having the pro license first... ditto with Lampard.

I thought that you weren't allowed to manage a top-tier team in a european country without it? So I'm astounded Gerrard didn't have it. Must be some special paperwork you can do if you know the timeline for getting it.

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2 minutes ago, SaintRam said:

I thought that you weren't allowed to manage a top-tier team in a european country without it? So I'm astounded Gerrard didn't have it. Must be some special paperwork you can do if you know the timeline for getting it.

Yeah that’s what I thought too. Maybe it’s not a requirement strictly I don’t know. Certainly know if I was in charge of a club at any reasonably high level I wouldn’t be giving the managers job of the senior team to anyone without a pro license.

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1 minute ago, Topram said:

God no 

Shrug.

I doubt it would happen, so it's moot.

But I really like Darren. He's a good bloke who's good at his job. 

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2 minutes ago, RadioactiveWaste said:

That'll be Mels intense relaxation about the situation then.

Haha.

It was the reason Darren sent us out to get hammered by Hull in the playoffs. He'd got us playing again and reclaimed our place in the playoffs, then realised if we got promoted he wouldn't be qualified for the job, so flunked it. ? 

Now he's qualified he's in position to take us to Champions League glory during the Wassall dynasty, where Ethan becomes our 15 year captain!

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Thing is, I'd love for us to take a look abroad for a new manager, however when was the last time we had a manager that wasn't from the UK? if i remember correctly we haven't ever had one. We hardly look for players abroad either! (Completely diff topic)

From England my two managers would have to be Chris Hughton and Darren Moore.. Hughtons a cracking manager who can promote and keep us in the prem, if given the right resources, and Darren Moore because he knows the club well, did well with WBA (ridiculous sacking imo) and could just see him doing well tbf.

If we was finally going to look abroad, definately Domenico Tedesco would be my first choice.. Managed in one of the top divisions in Europe, did seriously well in his first season and a young up and coming manager.

Or, Mel can just sell himself Moor Farm... and we can throw a truck ton of money towards Jose Mourinho or Arsene Wenger.

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29 minutes ago, SaintRam said:

I thought that you weren't allowed to manage a top-tier team in a european country without it? So I'm astounded Gerrard didn't have it. Must be some special paperwork you can do if you know the timeline for getting it.

Its the same paperwork that any boss uses to employ his best mates son/daughter when they aren't qualified for the job - nepotism.

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6 minutes ago, Grumpy Git said:

Its the same paperwork that any boss uses to employ his best mates son/daughter when they aren't qualified for the job - nepotism.

I'm not sure that analogy works in this case, as the "boss" isn't the top of the chain. Appointing a manager in a top division requires UEFA approval, but clearly Gerrard became Rangers manager so my understanding of how it works in terms of regulation must just be mistaken.

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13 minutes ago, Tombo said:

I'd quite like Daz Was.

If we're promoting through within, What about Justin Walker? Done absolute wonders with the youth team, albeit a huge step up, he'll know which players are the dogs nuts..

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