JfR Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, Steve How Hard? said: I have a theory why we haven't seen any movement on the Chelsea loan front. It's totally unfounded and just an opinion but maybe Frank is a bit wary of helping Cocu too much in case he smashes the league and makes him look a bit of a mug for not doing the same. Also to throw another conspiracy theory out there. In the midst of the is Frank going/not going saga, Jody Morris liked a tweet that went something like "some people burn bridges and then expect you to send them yachts." It was interpreted at the time as a cryptic link between Frank and Abramovich. However at the time I wondered if it was a dig at Mel by Jody. Alright, I know I'm rambling a bit but it is a hot day and the old grey matter has had a bit of a frying but stranger things have happened. Cue a plethora of Chelsea loanees now I've spouted all that. I doubt it. Both Frank and Jody seemed to be very much full of praise with Mel when they made statements when they left, and they didn't need to do so, Jody in particular. I don't think Jody would have made sure to single Mel out for praise in his if he'd fallen out with him to the point that he was making digs at him on Twitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 I thunk the message is the same at both clubs. You have to promote the youth. They're keeping hold of theirs and Cocu's giving our lads a go. It may not be exciting but it is potentially a great platform to build upon and a terrific incentive to aspiring young rams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, JfR said: I doubt it. Both Frank and Jody seemed to be very much full of praise with Mel when they made statements when they left, and they didn't need to do so, Jody in particular. I don't think Jody would have made sure to single Mel out for praise in his if he'd fallen out with him to the point that he was making digs at him on Twitter. I haven't seen the Jody statement but you're right Mel and Frank did seem to part on good terms. Just thought it's a little strange nothing has happened in that department. It would be foolhardy of us not to utilise such a link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrowram Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, Steve How Hard? said: You could be on to something there. Cocu let slip in a recent interview that talks had been going on for a while so it wasn't all as whirlwind as it appeared. Apparently Frank started talks with Chelsea before we played Leeds! The club must have known for sometime that his departure was on the cards and would have started to draw up a list of possible replacements . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harrowram Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Perhaps Tomori would prefer to return to bouncing Derbados as opposed to going to Brighton or Sheff United or somewhere in France or Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Just perhaps Frank doesn't have much say in where players are sent on loan. I would imagine there are quite a few mouths in that particular food chain........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Harrowram said: Apparently Frank started talks with Chelsea before we played Leeds! The club must have known for sometime that his departure was on the cards and would have started to draw up a list of possible replacements . The only people who I've seen saying that are the same people who claim the moon landings were faked and the earth is flat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BodminRam Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 minute ago, cheron85 said: The only people who I've seen saying that are the same people who claim the moon landings were faked and the earth is flat So why at the Wembley interview when asked about next season did he say " we will see" similar to that off Billy Davies, Oh and ref the moon, why are their no stars in the background?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 21 minutes ago, reverendo de duivel said: The conspiracy theory kind of falls apart when you read the leaving message from Jody. Could you possibly post a link to his message? I haven't seen it but now wish I had before letting the sun get to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, cheron85 said: The only people who I've seen saying that are the same people who claim the moon landings were faked and the earth is flat Cocu said himself he was first contacted by Mel in May Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 One thing that is most relevant is the question of would Cocu actually want Tomori or would he prefer to spend his options elsewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogbad van 50 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 20 minutes ago, Steve How Hard? said: Could you possibly post a link to his message? I haven't seen it but now wish I had before letting the sun get to me. There you go!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rampage Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 Somewhat cryptic comment by Phil that he talked to Mel in a preliminary way 'weeks' before signing. This could be two or more weeks. Speculation about Sarri leaving and Frank arriving seemed to go on for ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 4 hours ago, Nuwtfly said: How the feck can HITC turn this journalist's story into: "Chelsea defender Fikayo Tomori has ‘no interest’ in returning to Derby County this summer, according to The Standard. In fact, he doesn’t want to join any Championship club with the England U21 international fully focused on proving himself in the Premier League." This is how twots like these start the Chinese Whispers among some of our "less intelligent" fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve How Hard? Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, rcarso1 said: There you go!? Cheers, should have listened to my grandfather all those years ago....." If thas nowt to say, shut tha gob." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Harrowram said: Apparently Frank started talks with Chelsea before we played Leeds! The club must have known for sometime that his departure was on the cards and would have started to draw up a list of possible replacements . Same thing as I was told, but haven't ever shared it as not 100 percent it was true. I was told he had spoke to Chelsea before Wembley and Derby players had heard about it, Lamps and Keogh had a bust up before the Wembley game about it due to Lampard telling the players Loyalty comes first. I'm sure the person was wrong, but they weren't wrong about Johnny Russell wanting to leave for America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kevin Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 minute ago, MackworthRamIsGod said: Same thing as I was told, but haven't ever shared it as not 100 percent it was true. I was told he had spoke to Chelsea before Wembley and Derby players had heard about it, Lamps and Keogh had a bust up before the Wembley game about it due to Lampard telling the players Loyalty comes first. I'm sure the person was wrong, but they weren't wrong about Johnny Russell wanting to leave for America. Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo please tell me we haven't got a snake mark 2.I liked Frank on the other hand Rowett was a complete nob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 40 minutes ago, Rampage said: Somewhat cryptic comment by Phil that he talked to Mel in a preliminary way 'weeks' before signing. This could be two or more weeks. Speculation about Sarri leaving and Frank arriving seemed to go on for ages. In an earlier interview he specifically said May Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MackworthRamIsGod Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 18 minutes ago, King Kevin said: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo please tell me we haven't got a snake mark 2.I liked Frank on the other hand Rowett was a complete nob. No I don't think we have, Lampard was more of a gentleman and let's be honest Chelsea is hardly jumping ship for Stoke City. I don't believe for a second though that Frank's first conversations with Chelsea about becoming manager were once the Wembley game had concluded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 1 hour ago, BodminRam said: So why at the Wembley interview when asked about next season did he say " we will see" similar to that off Billy Davies, Oh and ref the moon, why are their no stars in the background?? Because a lot of managers say that - He'd been saying for months that he and Mel would sit down at the end of the season to review how things had gone and what they wanted to do moving forwards 1 hour ago, EnigmaRam said: Cocu said himself he was first contacted by Mel in May I haven't read that interview - Could you share it please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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