MuespachRam Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 1 hour ago, ramsbottom said: Taking the promotion out of it, and focusing on all aspects of a manager and his teams, Burley, Clough, McClaren & Lampard are better Derby County managers. Mainly because their football is/was better to watch, they conducted themselves in a decent manner, and didn't sign an abundance of over priced crap like Mackem, Pearson, Fagen, Davis, and Eddie F***** Lewis!!! Yes he got us promoted, despite being under the cosh for 80 out 90 minutes at Wembley. But we all know what happened when he suddenly had to mix it with the big boys... But....he got us promoted I like all the other managers you mentioned who failed to do so. We finished 3rd, miles ahead of West Brom who we beat in the play offs. Conducting themselves in a better manner...do you think any Man United fan gives a toss about how Ferguson conducted himself all those years...? Or closer to home...does anyone give a hoot how Brian Clough conducted himself all those years...? too many people have blinkers on with Billy just because he went to Forest, it’s pathetic. He got us promoted....no one else since Smith has done this. Whatever he said and did afterwards doesn’t matter, he got us promoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 17 minutes ago, MuespachRam said: too many people have blinkers on with Billy just because he went to Forest, it’s pathetic. Brian Clough also went to Forest, I don’t see his managerial ability ever questioned. Maybe going to Forest has nothing to do with it ??♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 17 minutes ago, MuespachRam said: But....he got us promoted I like all the other managers you mentioned who failed to do so. We finished 3rd, miles ahead of West Brom who we beat in the play offs. Conducting themselves in a better manner...do you think any Man United fan gives a toss about how Ferguson conducted himself all those years...? Or closer to home...does anyone give a hoot how Brian Clough conducted himself all those years...? too many people have blinkers on with Billy just because he went to Forest, it’s pathetic. He got us promoted....no one else since Smith has done this. Whatever he said and did afterwards doesn’t matter, he got us promoted. Comparing him to the likes of Clough Snr & Fergie. You are in fact R2-D2 himself, and I claim my £5... Just now, David said: Brian Clough also went to Forest, I don’t see his managerial ability questioned. Maybe going to Forest has nothing to do with it ??♂️ No, going to Fo***t has nothing to do with it. It's the fact he's an odious little s***-weasel who isn't a very good manager. Despite all his self-proclaimed greatness he's taken a single team up, and failed miserably everywhere else. He's a cut price Neil Warnock. At least Warnock has a shred of humility about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 1 hour ago, MuespachRam said: So the most successful isn’t the best..?? So Mick McCarthy is a better manager than Eddie Howe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 2 hours ago, David said: Brian Clough also went to Forest, I don’t see his managerial ability ever questioned. Maybe going to Forest has nothing to do with it ??♂️ You know as well as I do that if he had gone to Motherwell after being wrongly sacked by us then no one would care. And I have been in the pop side on numerous occasions with everyone chanting songs about Brian Clough being a frequent user of the toilets at Hillsborough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 56 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: So Mick McCarthy is a better manager than Eddie Howe? Big Mick has got 2 teams promoted hasn’t he? Sunderland and Wolves? So yes he has been more “successful” and “better” than Howe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 44 minutes ago, MuespachRam said: You know as well as I do that if he had gone to Motherwell after being wrongly sacked by us then no one would care. And I have been in the pop side on numerous occasions with everyone chanting songs about Brian Clough being a frequent user of the toilets at Hillsborough. I don’t know that at all, I would argue his words on the pitch at Wembley annoyed more fans than turning up at Forest doorstep. You also only have to look at the reaction to Rowett’s football last season to understand why Billy’s brand of football wasn’t going to win many fans over, and his personality does him no favours either, similar to Rowett. For what it’s worth I think many believe we would have been better with him staying than bringing in Paul Jewell, but fans wouldn’t have taken to him still in the same way they would other managers. Look, we know your opinions on Billy are set in stone as they are with Liverpool and no amount of facts will change your mind, but don’t for a second believe people’s dislike for him was down to managing Forest. He’s also been out of work now for 5 years, ask yourself why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfie Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, David said: He’s also been out of work now for 5 years, ask yourself why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Didn't Billy compare himself to fergie on the basis he used to pick up chud off the street in Govan? https://www.pressreader.com/uk/sunday-express-1070/20070527/283377647532999 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 3 hours ago, David said: I don’t know that at all, I would argue his words on the pitch at Wembley annoyed more fans than turning up at Forest doorstep. You also only have to look at the reaction to Rowett’s football last season to understand why Billy’s brand of football wasn’t going to win many fans over, and his personality does him no favours either, similar to Rowett. For what it’s worth I think many believe we would have been better with him staying than bringing in Paul Jewell, but fans wouldn’t have taken to him still in the same way they would other managers. Look, we know your opinions on Billy are set in stone as they are with Liverpool and no amount of facts will change your mind, but don’t for a second believe people’s dislike for him was down to managing Forest. He’s also been out of work now for 5 years, ask yourself why. and George Burley...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, MuespachRam said: and George Burley...? I haven’t said a word about George Burley. Why do you think no clubs have touched Billy Davies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 25 minutes ago, David said: I haven’t said a word about George Burley. Why do you think no clubs have touched Billy Davies? Because he causes trouble in the club when things do go his way, or he feels he’s not got the financial backing he deserves regards players *shudder. but, He got us promoted, if the club could of accessed the Prem money earlier and had some serious money men behind them they should of booted Billy straight after Wembley and got someone decent in without such a large hole in their face. But we left it too long, the bee remained in his wee bonnet and the rest is history. Saying all this, he got us to the Prem. Nobody else has since, and Mels gone on record saying winning games is all that matters (during the Rowett period). If someone had a crystal ball and told him Billy mark2 would guarantee promotion to the prem, do you think he’d have him? Cause he would. We all would. Or would you prefer to miss out but have played pretty football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 30 minutes ago, David said: I haven’t said a word about George Burley. Why do you think no clubs have touched Billy Davies? Why do you think no clubs have touched Burley? because football has changed, it has passed them by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuespachRam Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, Boycie said: Because he causes trouble in the club when things do go his way, or he feels he’s not got the financial backing he deserves regards players *shudder. but, He got us promoted, if the club could of accessed the Prem money earlier and had some serious money men behind them they should of booted Billy straight after Wembley and got someone decent in without such a large hole in their face. But we left it too long, the bee remained in his wee bonnet and the rest is history. Saying all this, he got us to the Prem. Nobody else has since, and Mels gone on record saying winning games is all that matters (during the Rowett period). If someone had a crystal ball and told him Billy mark2 would guarantee promotion to the prem, do you think he’d have him? Cause he would. We all would. Or would you prefer to miss out but have played pretty football? Exactly...everyone would rather us be George Grahams Arsenal than Kevin Keegans Newcaslte….it would be nice to have the success of Graham with the football of Keegan of course! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 16 minutes ago, Boycie said: If someone had a crystal ball and told him Billy mark2 would guarantee promotion to the prem, do you think he’d have him? Cause he would. We all would. Or would you prefer to miss out but have played pretty football? Throughout the Rowett tenure I always said it’s results first and stand by that. If your crystal ball said Billy would take us up I would have him back and dump him straight away, his methods are extremely short term motivational speeches to get the best out the players, it’s not something that can be sustained as he’s shown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 22 minutes ago, MuespachRam said: Why do you think no clubs have touched Burley? because football has changed, it has passed them by now. Again I haven’t mentioned Burley so I’m not sure why you keep bringing him up, I’m talking about Billy Davies, not Phil Brown, Paul Jewell or anyone else. So you think Billy Davies football is outdated and unemployable after just 5 years? Do you not think he appears to be unemployable because Billy Davies is Billy Davies, a man that appears to be slightly unhinged and clubs wouldn’t feel comfortable with him in charge? I would argue it’s his behaviour that has made him unemployable, not football changed. His ability to get the best out of players over a short term period would be in demand if he wasn’t missing a few sandwiches short of a picnic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, David said: Throughout the Rowett tenure I always said it’s results first and stand by that. If your crystal ball said Billy would take us up I would have him back and dump him straight away, his methods are extremely short term motivational speeches to get the best out the players, it’s not something that can be sustained as he’s shown. It’s nice that you agree with me then. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Just now, Boycie said: It’s nice that you agree with me then. ? Won’t happen very often so enjoy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boycie Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 Billy Davies and Neil Warnock, peas out the same pod. Motivation, us against the world. Sometimes it comes off, especially if the players are on low wages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted June 12, 2019 Share Posted June 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, Boycie said: Billy Davies and Neil Warnock, peas out the same pod. Motivation, us against the world. Sometimes it comes off, especially if the players are on low wages. Siege mentality only works with lower paid players, try it with your top players and they will look at you gone out. To be a fair a few dodgy referee decisions hurt Cardiff last season, could have quite easily stayed up which is why I don’t buy this football has changed. Prediction, Warnock doesn’t make it till Christmas. He would also have been gone had they stayed up due to the limited time this siege mentality works. If you hand Warnock or Davies the keys to the managers office, keep them on a short leash and be start looking for their replacement immediately. Limited money, no decisions on youth team players. 2 seasons max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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