Archied Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 12 minutes ago, ramsLGBT said: Your opinion is very much appreciated ? IMO we do as much as we can to educate. Those people who will be hateful regardless then need to be called out. They may not change their attitudes and action based on sensible discussion; but they are much more likely to if people around them tell them / show them that it's not acceptable. You are spot on and in my experience happily that really does happen so much now , I sometimes think it’s too easy to overlook how far we have come and just how many decent people there are all around us who are prepared to stand up and be counted on the side of right and decent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 2 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: im not sure how specifically having separate groups of fans does anything to address the problems if there are any. Do you have the same view about this lot? http://dcdsc.co.uk/about/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, StivePesley said: Do you have the same view about this lot? http://dcdsc.co.uk/about/ Yes because that's obviously such a great comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, StivePesley said: Do you have the same view about this lot? http://dcdsc.co.uk/about/ With the greatest respect Steve I’m not sure how anybody s sexual orientation equates to someone with disabilities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 My view is that if LGBT* people feel the need for a group and more to be done then it's their view that's important and should be heard, not non-LGBT* people, and I think this survey is a good way to gauge opinions - good work @ramsLGBT ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Archied said: With the greatest respect Steve I’m not sure how anybody s sexual orientation equates to someone with disabilities I would say because like sexual orientation, disabilities are not a choice, and both are covered under the Equality Act, meaning that both groups are liable to be marginalized and discriminated against Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsLGBT Posted June 6, 2019 Author Share Posted June 6, 2019 What the disabled supporters group do is probably more evident in some ways as there is a physical aspect that is much clearer to see. And a lot of people forget that being disabled is more than just physical disabilities. The disabled supporters club is making sure that anybody with a disability does not feel left out, discriminated against and can enjoy the football as best as they can. Much like an LGBT supporters group would with those within the LGBT community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 54 minutes ago, StivePesley said: Do you have the same view about this lot? http://dcdsc.co.uk/about/ This lot? Depressing choice of words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 28 minutes ago, ramsLGBT said: The disabled supporters club is making sure that anybody with a disability does not feel left out, discriminated against and can enjoy the football as best as they can. Much like an LGBT supporters group would with those within the LGBT community. So out of interest, has there been research carried out that suggests that this is a problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uttoxram75 Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 1 minute ago, G STAR RAM said: So out of interest, has there been research carried out that suggests that this is a problem? This survey is part of the research I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yojimbo Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 LGBT discussion on a football forum in 2019? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yojimbo Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Yojimbo said: LGBT discussion on a football forum in 2019? Posted this before reading any of it and it's actually a lot more civil than I expected. Well done, everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyhill60 Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 24 minutes ago, Yojimbo said: Posted this before reading any of it and it's actually a lot more civil than I expected. Well done, everyone. Your first post is astonishing given the absence of out-gay players in the Premier League or EFL. This second is just condescending to other posters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 7 hours ago, Anna said: I would say because like sexual orientation, disabilities are not a choice, and both are covered under the Equality Act, meaning that both groups are liable to be marginalized and discriminated against My point was the likening of being lgbt to having a disability ? Would an lgbt person not be thinking it’s offensive to have their sexual orientation seen that way? The wording of sexual orientation is not a choice the same as having a disability’is not a choice seems to sublimely enforce the idea that there’s something wrong with not being heterosexual, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yojimbo Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 4 hours ago, sunnyhill60 said: Your first post is astonishing given the absence of out-gay players in the Premier League or EFL. This second is just condescending to other posters Just been on plenty of forums where discussions of such things have descended into a poo show. Wasn’t meant to come across as condescending, sorry if it came across as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 11 hours ago, G STAR RAM said: What about the you fat bar steward chant, has there been a group set up for fat people? Sign me up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, mastah said: Sign me up Over 5000 signed up on day one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jono Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 17 hours ago, Nick_Ram said: Maybe a combination of my organisation and generation mean that I do not see any issues; 10 years ago or more I probably couldn't say the same. I think attitudes have changed thanks to groups like this. However, in Britain when I would say the vast majority of people do not care about your sexual preferences (of which the small minority you'll never change their views; religion etc), why do groups try to promote inclusive attitudes with exclusive behaviours? I get your point, and in essence I agree with you, and also the OP ! I reckon @Wolfie probably expressed it best, but I do have a degree of resistance to a certain sort of militantancy that comes from the USA - where there is a school of thought that sugggests if you are not vociferously anti bigototry then you are by definition a bigot. I refute this from the tree tops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrivateDerby Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 It used to get on my nerves, felt like it was getting forced all the time but don't care anymore and feel better for it. A few years ago I got in trouble in work for questioning a poster advertising a LGBT group for 12+ year olds and adults. Just didn't sit right with me, imagine a poster up in your work place advertising a heterosexual group for children and adults?! Like most people, I've always worked with and had gay mates, gone to gay bars/clubs etc. but still I couldn't be doing with the LGBT stuff being pushed all the time but a lot of it is good for people. Not a bad idea an DCFC LGBT group I'm sure there are plenty that go to matches, probably turn into summat good and be a laugh for those involved and those who aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desirelines Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Great work @ramsLGBT! You have my full support. ? ?️? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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