Shaftesbury st Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, ronnieronalde said: Debating is fine. You're not debating, you're criticising and passing something hypothetical off as fact. Convincing yourself that you are right and he is wrong. It's such a cheap and easy post to write. You've got no idea if Derby would have won that game with a different team selection. No idea at all. I'm not saying he doesn't make mistakes, I'm just saying you're not qualified to say 100% that it would have been a different outcome if YOU were picking the side. Which is basically what you're saying. Frank was asked the question at the end of the match and he gave his explanation. The fact it's not a good enough explanation for you, I can't help. I'm just saying it as I see it. I’m saying that team he picked offered no threat and has shown in many previous games it offers no threat. Marriott starting ahead of Bennett isn’t a difficult one, unless your sticking your head so far up Lampard that it’s dark 24/7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCG Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 1 minute ago, 1of4 said: When Frank arrived at the start of the season, everyone accepted he would make mistakes as he was new to management. Most of us being realistic had anticipated we would finish outside the top six. Frank's game plan didn't work out, how he had wanted. But did he get his selection wrong? If we hadn't conceded the second goal the way we did. Frank's selection and game plan may have produced a different result for us today. I respect your opinion, but that's just not the way I saw it. Frank saw and presumably got the reaction at Leeds (who for me are better than Villa) by not being passive and going for it. Things needed changing well before we went two down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaftesbury st Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 14 minutes ago, NottsRam77 said: Fine margins mate Roos error different ball game perhaps waghorn wasn’t fully fit ... which has been hinted by Lampard and well documented leading into the game perhaps as he also said Marriott can’t play with the intensity that’s required from the off and is more use coming on and influencing the game But we all know better than the guy that sees them each day on the training ground dont we It Ain’t champ manager fella Well I will go with the majority mate, 38,000 Rams fans and I am pretty sure most will agree with Marriott ahead of Bennett, his plan B should have been plan A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcfcfan1 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 I love frank to bits, he has 99% of my support If he agrees to never bench Marriott again- I will be 100% on board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCG Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Just now, Shaftesbury st said: Well I will go with the majority mate, 38,000 Rams fans and I am pretty sure most will agree with Marriott ahead of Bennett, his plan B should have been plan A I'd have played both; worked against Leeds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaftesbury st Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 Just now, KCG said: I'd have played both; worked against Leeds! If he’s playing Huddlestone he can only play one, i wouldn’t have been adverse to them both playing, Marriott has to start that game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S8TY Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 What I don’t get on here is people saying a player or manager knows best or and we are wrong to have an opinion ...Football is a fantastic game and i love being in the pub ( having too many beers ) discussing and having opinions about players managers decisions etc etc with my mates who love football it’s all part of the game and you don’t have to be a qualified eufa coach or an ex premier league player to have a valid opinion ...so pack it in !!! We are Derby fans and we have different opinions ...might as well shut the forum if you can’t have an opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NottsRam77 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, Shaftesbury st said: Well I will go with the majority mate, 38,000 Rams fans and I am pretty sure most will agree with Marriott ahead of Bennett, his plan B should have been plan A Like at Leeds away u mean ??? No one was complaining then and the idea of a fresh Marriott coming on against a tired defence that had been ran by mason for however long That was a tactical masterstroke I’m sure thought the same 38k 38k football managers all armed with hindsight Lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnieronalde Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Shaftesbury st said: I’m saying that team he picked offered no threat and has shown in many previous games it offers no threat. Marriott starting ahead of Bennett isn’t a difficult one, unless your sticking your head so far up Lampard that it’s dark 24/7. Not surprised to see you resort to that old chestnut and even less surprised to see KCG and RoyMac. KCG in particular has been ridiculing my opinion for years but usually in the same style as phil, he just uses an emoji. RoyMac has been slating every Derby manager since I've been on the forum, he won't change. What were the last 2 results against Villa? How many goals did Derby score in those 2 games? Marriott played in both of those games and it was 7-0 on aggregate. Frank picked the side and the system he thought MIGHT produce a different result this time around. Maybe looking at the fact it was so close this time around suggests it wasn't as bad a team selection as you're making out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCG Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Shaftesbury st said: If he’s playing Huddlestone he can only play one, i wouldn’t have been adverse to them both playing, Marriott has to start that game Huddlestone would not have started in my first 11. He's always been slow and immobile, but now he's like an oil tanker. A 20-year old Huddlestone would have been fantastic! The team should have been the one that won the game at Leeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 I would have felt more confident with Marriott in as he only really needs a sniff and he gambles on everything Waghorn I expected to be on the bench. You have to say that old cliche "goals change games". Villa are going to take less risks when 1-0 up. They will hold shape and Derby will abandon it a bit more. Now at 0-0 I didn't really see how Marriott could help. It was lack of width, especially on the left that looked an issue. Grealish was getting deeper and it was only really El Ghazi solo runs that worried me. So the starting 11 did alright imo. The 2nd goal did even more to change the game and that put Villa in such a counter attacking mind that our forwards were always going to get more of a look in. I would have liked to see Marriott start but I wouldn't dare say that the game was lost on that 1 decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnieronalde Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 6 minutes ago, Saity said: What I don’t get on here is people saying a player or manager knows best or and we are wrong to have an opinion ...Football is a fantastic game and i love being in the pub ( having too many beers ) discussing and having opinions about players managers decisions etc etc with my mates who love football it’s all part of the game and you don’t have to be a qualified eufa coach or an ex premier league player to have a valid opinion ...so pack it in !!! We are Derby fans and we have different opinions ...might as well shut the forum if you can’t have an opinion I don't think anyone is wrong to have an opinion. I just don't think 30 minutes after the end of a season where it's clear everyone has done their best is the right time to come and start spreading negativity. Go back a week and see how many posters were saying the result didn't matter, overall it had been a great season and there would be no stick dished out. Is the forum half full of liars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaftesbury st Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, KCG said: Huddlestone would not have started in my first 11. He's always been slow and immobile, but now he's like an oil tanker. A 20-year old Huddlestone would have been fantastic! The team should have been the one that won the game at Leeds. Totally agree. The point for me though is Bennett should just not start ahead of Marriott, some idiots giving excuses about sharpness etc is just nonsense. He showed how sharp he was getting us to the final Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaftesbury st Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, ronnieronalde said: Not surprised to see you resort to that old chestnut and even less surprised to see KCG and RoyMac. KCG in particular has been ridiculing my opinion for years but usually in the same style as phil, he just uses an emoji. RoyMac has been slating every Derby manager since I've been on the forum, he won't change. What were the last 2 results against Villa? How many goals did Derby score in those 2 games? Marriott played in both of those games and it was 7-0 on aggregate. Frank picked the side and the system he thought MIGHT produce a different result this time around. Maybe looking at the fact it was so close this time around suggests it wasn't as bad a team selection as you're making out. Starting to think you haven’t got a bloody clue pal, it’s not rocket science, play your in-form striker who’s just bagged two in last game. Dont want to be rude but I can imagine you have a Lampard poster on your bedroom wall. Thank you Frank for a good season, please just try and not repeat these mistakes as often next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaftesbury st Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 13 minutes ago, Alpha said: I would have felt more confident with Marriott in as he only really needs a sniff and he gambles on everything Waghorn I expected to be on the bench. You have to say that old cliche "goals change games". Villa are going to take less risks when 1-0 up. They will hold shape and Derby will abandon it a bit more. Now at 0-0 I didn't really see how Marriott could help. It was lack of width, especially on the left that looked an issue. Grealish was getting deeper and it was only really El Ghazi solo runs that worried me. So the starting 11 did alright imo. The 2nd goal did even more to change the game and that put Villa in such a counter attacking mind that our forwards were always going to get more of a look in. I would have liked to see Marriott start but I wouldn't dare say that the game was lost on that 1 decision Of course it’s not lost on that but it could have been won on it, my point is he’s a bloody goal scorer so play him, he’s on fire too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyMac5 Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 17 minutes ago, ronnieronalde said: Not surprised to see you resort to that old chestnut and even less surprised to see KCG and RoyMac. ... What were the last 2 results against Villa? How many goals did Derby score in those 2 games? What were the results against L**ds? You'd think Frank would have learnt from that game...you'd think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Shaftesbury st said: Of course it’s not lost on that but it could have been won on it, my point is he’s a bloody goal scorer so play him, he’s on fire too Yeah, I wanted him on too. But the game he came into was different to the one that was played for the first 45 mins. It suited him more. I'm not saying I think it was a good idea he was left out. I like him a lot. Just that the performance we put in when he came on would not likely have happened from the start if he'd been selected imo. The goal changed both sides mentality. The second left them as a counter attacking unit. It would be too simplistic to say "why didn't we do that from the start. "Goals change games". Urgh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnieronalde Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 13 minutes ago, Shaftesbury st said: Starting to think you haven’t got a bloody clue pal, it’s not rocket science, play your in-form striker who’s just bagged two in last game. Dont want to be rude but I can imagine you have a Lampard poster on your bedroom wall. Thank you Frank for a good season, please just try and not repeat these mistakes as often next season You can think what you want. For years on here I've been accused of being a Clough bum boy, now YOU think it's Frank I love. Classy football fans. Classy. What was the score in the last 2 games against Villa and who played up front. Stop with the cheap shots and answer the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnieronalde Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: What were the results against L**ds? You'd think Frank would have learnt from that game...you'd think. He did learn. He lost badly twice to them, changed the system and beat them in the Semi. He tried to do the same today. Do you think he told Bogle to leave El Ghazi free at the back post? Do you think he told Kelle to fumble one on to the head of McGinn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaftesbury st Posted May 27, 2019 Share Posted May 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, ronnieronalde said: You can think what you want. For years on here I've been accused of being a Clough bum boy, now YOU think it's Frank I love. Classy football fans. Classy. What was the score in the last 2 games against Villa and who played up front. Stop with the cheap shots and answer the question. Oh you’ve been on here years so you know best. Your argument is poor, Frank made a mistake, saying he’s not fit is a smokescreen. The last two games against Villa have nothing to do with it, Mount didn’t play did he either. I’m not accusing you of being a Lampard bum boy, I’m accusing you have not having a bloody clue mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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