maxjam Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 https://news.sky.com/story/hamza-choudhury-leicester-city-star-fined-over-historical-social-media-comments-11716430 5k fine for something he wrote when he was 15/16 - or a child in the eyes of the law. If you want to know what was deemed so offensive it was worth a 5k fine its in the link below; https://punchng.com/leicesters-choudhury-charged-by-fa-over-social-media-posts/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaltRam Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Obviously he can't, but it would be nice to see him tell the FA to stick it and see them in court. The first one was out of order, but the second two he was simply expressing an opinion and in any event...he was a child at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Thank goodness the FA are here to protect us from 6 year old edgy jokes and opinions. I can't wait until these pathetic moralizing scolds get some precogs so they can punish people before they even post any dangerous wrongthink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 He's got until 13th to provide a response. I know what response I would provide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Its ridiculous. Over a quarter of his life ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 The FA are in the right here. This is a sport for gentleman and ladies and we can't have him bringing the game into disrepute. He should pay the fine and then hopefully he can get on with his career of spitting, swearing at refs, diving, play acting, getting punched, time wasting, getting racially abused, stamping and biting. I find these tweets offensive. Winds me right up. I don't know what's worse, this or seeing players take their shirts off when celebrating. Both need stamping out the good game anyway. Great job by the FA. Priorities spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaLocks Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Alpha said: The FA are in the right here. This is a sport for gentleman and ladies and we can't have him bringing the game into disrepute. He should pay the fine and then hopefully he can get on with his career of spitting, swearing at refs, diving, play acting, getting punched, time wasting, getting racially abused, stamping and biting. I find these tweets offensive. Winds me right up. I don't know what's worse, this or seeing players take their shirts off when celebrating. Both need stamping out the good game anyway. Great job by the FA. Priorities spot on. Well, he is not the first person this week to learn that once you put something out in the ether it is there forever. What amazes me is that these clubs seem to do little to educate these people on how to behave. You would think that they would be all over them from U8's to confirm with them, again and again, that they need to keep a lid on views like these. That said, once again, I'm glad it's out - every time one of these surfaces we have another opportunity to discuss it and that person has a very clear opportunity to sit in a dark room and realise what a supreme Richard they were even thinking that in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, BaaLocks said: Well, he is not the first person this week to learn that once you put something out in the ether it is there forever. What amazes me is that these clubs seem to do little to educate these people on how to behave. You would think that they would be all over them from U8's to confirm with them, again and again, that they need to keep a lid on views like these. That said, once again, I'm glad it's out - every time one of these surfaces we have another opportunity to discuss it and that person has a very clear opportunity to sit in a dark room and realise what a supreme Richard they were even thinking that in the first place. I suspect that as a maturing adult, he doesn't think in quite the same way as when he was a child but he is free to think what he likes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjam Posted May 11, 2019 Author Share Posted May 11, 2019 The problems I have it are as follows; 1. He wrote the tweets as a 15yo but was convicted 6 years later as a man. 2. He is being sent on a 'FA education course' despite the fact that at the time of posting them he was still in education and he's posted nothing like them since. 3. Context is everything, more so with historical quotes/tweets as society and sensitivity evolves. 4. Tweet 1 is either just a joke or a racist joke depending on your point of view. Given that Choudhury is black himself it could be interpreted as the former. 5. Tweets 2 and 3 are opinion, they may be insensitive (particularly #3) but are open to debate imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1of4 Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 How far back in someone's history do the FA want to go, to enable them to find wrong doings, that they can retrospectively punish. Maybe they should fine themselves for their own sexist attitudes, when in 1921 they banned womens football teams from playing on the grounds belonging to male teams playing under FA rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyinLiverpool Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 11 minutes ago, 1of4 said: How far back in someone's history do the FA want to go, to enable them to find wrong doings, that they can retrospectively punish. Maybe they should fine themselves for their own sexist attitudes, when in 1921 they banned womens football teams from playing on the grounds belonging to male teams playing under FA rules. And for the nazi salute they made the England team give in 1938. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alph Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Anyone else ever said stupid poo? Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Sagan Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 Amazing to come across this thread (thanks for pointing it out @maxjam). Words fail me. Good to know the football authorities have their priorities spot on. How is it even legal to punish a child in this way. Enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McRamFan Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 On 12/05/2019 at 18:51, Carl Sagan said: Amazing to come across this thread (thanks for pointing it out @maxjam). Words fail me. Good to know the football authorities have their priorities spot on. How is it even legal to punish a child in this way. Enough! I expect they are going on the fact that 10 years old, is the age a child is criminally responsible for their actions/charged for a crime. Unfortunately, the UK does not have a statute of limitations. I find the whole thing repugnant. Does that mean that people born in the 60's and 70's, and use to say, 'just popping down the p*** shop' are going to be fined and put on courses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramsbottom Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 On 11/05/2019 at 08:18, Alpha said: The FA are in the right here. This is a sport for gentleman and ladies and we can't have him bringing the game into disrepute. He should pay the fine and then hopefully he can get on with his career of spitting, swearing at refs, diving, play acting, getting punched, time wasting, getting racially abused, stamping and biting. I find these tweets offensive. Winds me right up. I don't know what's worse, this or seeing players take their shirts off when celebrating. Both need stamping out the good game anyway. Great job by the FA. Priorities spot on. Quite right too!!! I almost choked on Damson & Fennel quinoa salad reading those. Shocking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stive Pesley Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Comes back to what I said in the Danny Baker thread about how we need to learn to use social media more responsibly All three of those tweets are things he could have just kept in his head, or just said to his mates (where the context and audience is controlled) Whatever the rights/wrongs of him being punished for it years later are, it still comes down to personal responsibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 1 minute ago, StivePesley said: Comes back to what I said in the Danny Baker thread about how we need to learn to use social media more responsibly All three of those tweets are things he could have just kept in his head, or just said to his mates (where the context and audience is controlled) Whatever the rights/wrongs of him being punished for it years later are, it still comes down to personal responsibility The things he said are a little unsavoury but I would say that it would be wrong to fine him even if he tweeted them now. Surely you can’t fine a black person for making a joke about black people? The one about women’s football is an opinion that many fans hold (and does not necessarily arise from sexism), which, whilst unfortunate, isn’t worthy of a fine IMO. The self-harm one is harsh but, again, it’s an opinion that he has a right to hold. Of course, he’d be stupid to tweet such things and we should be at a point now where we think harder about what we post and even ‘like’ on social media. That wasn’t really the case back then though, and certainly not for a boy in his mid-teens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlsonDerby Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 I don’t understand why the club doesn’t simply do it’s due diligence and pay someone to go back through and delete any dodgy tweets from their players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Which sad barstool went through this lad's old tweets in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlsonDerby Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 Also for those saying the third tweet is ‘just an opinion’ are probably missing the point that in 2019 suicide is the biggest threat to a young male’s life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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