Carl Sagan Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 A little oddly perhaps the Hartlepool Mail has compiled a list of Championship net transfer spend over the last 5 seasons. Of course it's complicated by some clubs being in different divisions at some points. We come out close to the top of the spending tables. The gumps have made a tidy profit by throwing youngsters in for a few games, massively hyping them up and then flogging them for a fortune. The top spenders are: Stoke £107m West Brom £91m Villa £37m Boro £37m Sheff Wed £35m SUPER RAMS £25m Brum £20m QPR £14m Dirty Leeds £13m Apparently everyone else broke even or made a profit: https://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/sport/football/every-championship-club-s-net-spend-over-the-last-five-seasons-a-129m-loss-1-9757952 Leeds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuitYourJibbaJivin Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Not a massive surprise I guess, I bet if you take the Clement summer out of the fugues we break even or make a profit as well. That summer was almost financial suicide for the club, felt great at the time though “we sign who we want” “rush always gets his man” hindsight is a wonderful thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 It's the sort of analysis that generates as many questions as answers. The "cost" of owning a player is surely purchase cost + player contract costs - sale transfer fee? So this analysis doesn't give the whole picture. For example if I brought in a bunch of journeyman ex premier pros or loan a bunch of tammy Abraham's on massive wages I would look quite frugal on this analysis, whilst bankrupting the club. And if you have bought a player in who is still here then presumably this only captures the spend and ignores any player value. For what its worth, I was mentally trying to validate the 25m for us. I got.... Johnson 6m Butterfield 4m Anya 4m Thorne 3-4m Blackman 3m Huddlestone 2m? But there ought to be profits on weimann, Hughes Hendrick vydra to reduce that total, so even with the simplistic measure I'm struggling to get to 25m "cost". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dethorn Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 https://www.transferleague.co.uk/Derby-county/english-football-teams/Derby-county-transfers Not sure if this helps But I am sure £3.75M on Abdoul Camara and Nick Blackman doesn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 35 minutes ago, HantsRam said: It's the sort of analysis that generates as many questions as answers. The "cost" of owning a player is surely purchase cost + player contract costs - sale transfer fee? So this analysis doesn't give the whole picture. For example if I brought in a bunch of journeyman ex premier pros or loan a bunch of tammy Abraham's on massive wages I would look quite frugal on this analysis, whilst bankrupting the club. And if you have bought a player in who is still here then presumably this only captures the spend and ignores any player value. For what its worth, I was mentally trying to validate the 25m for us. I got.... Johnson 6m Butterfield 4m Anya 4m Thorne 3-4m Blackman 3m Huddlestone 2m? But there ought to be profits on weimann, Hughes Hendrick vydra to reduce that total, so even with the simplistic measure I'm struggling to get to 25m "cost". 14/15 Ins: Thorne (£2.07m), Albentosa (£540k), Christie (£100k), Warnock (£?k), Shotton (£?k) 14/15 Outs: Coutts (£?k) 15/16 Ins: Johnson (£7.29m), Ince (£6.03m), Butterfield (£4.95m), Shackell (£3.78m), Weimann (£3.42m), Blackman (£3.06m), Camara (£1.53m), Olsson (£594k), Carson (£?k) 15/16 Outs: Dawkins (£?k) 16/17 Ins: Vydra (£8.46m), Anya (£4.23m), Nugent (£2.61m), McAllister (£239k) 16/17 Outs: Hendrick (£10.62m), Grant (£1.35m), Albentosa (£720k), Shotton (£324k), Martin (£1.62m loan) 17/18 Ins: Lawrence (£4.95m), Wisdom (£2.07m), Huddlestone (£1.98m), Jerome (£1.53m), Davies (£513k) 17/18 Outs: Ince (£8.19m), Hughes (£8.19m), Christie (£2.52m), Russell (£252k) 18/19 Ins: Waghorn (£5.04m), Marriott (£3.06m), Jozefzoon (£2.79m), Holmes (£702k), Evans (£?k), Malone (£?k) 18/19 Outs: Vydra (£10.98m), Weimann (£2.03m), Hanson (£?k), Jerome (£?) Total Ins: £71.538m Total Outs: £46.796m Total: £24.742m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 23 minutes ago, HantsRam said: It's the sort of analysis that generates as many questions as answers. The "cost" of owning a player is surely purchase cost + player contract costs - sale transfer fee? So this analysis doesn't give the whole picture. For example if I brought in a bunch of journeyman ex premier pros or loan a bunch of tammy Abraham's on massive wages I would look quite frugal on this analysis, whilst bankrupting the club. And if you have bought a player in who is still here then presumably this only captures the spend and ignores any player value. For what its worth, I was mentally trying to validate the 25m for us. I got.... Johnson 6m Butterfield 4m Anya 4m Thorne 3-4m Blackman 3m Huddlestone 2m? But there ought to be profits on weimann, Hughes Hendrick vydra to reduce that total, so even with the simplistic measure I'm struggling to get to 25m "cost". Weimann was sold at a loss and Vydra minimal profit. Off the top of my head, some players you've missed:- Curtis Davies Andre Wisdom Scott Malone Tom Lawrence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: Weimann was sold at a loss and Vydra minimal profit. Off the top of my head, some players you've missed:- Curtis Davies Andre Wisdom Scott Malone Tom Lawrence That's true in that we must have incurred some outlay, even if most of those at least have some value left to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIWY Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 According to Transfermarkt (Only done transfers over £1m) Ins: Thorne - 2 Johnson - 7 Ince - 6 Butterfield - 5 Shackell - 4 Weimann - 3.5 Blackman - 3 Camara - 1.5 Vydra - 8.5 Anya - 4 Nugent - 2.5 Lawrence - 5 Wisdom - 2 Huddlestone - 2 Jerome - 1.5 Waghorn - 5 Marriott - 3 Jozefzoon - 3 Outs: Vydra - 11 Weimann - 2 Ince - 8 Hughes - 8 Christie - 2.5 Hendrick - 10.5 Martin - 1.5 (loan fee) Grant - 1.5 So looks like we've pretty much spent about £70m over 5 seasons on transfers and brought back £45m. Based on that I'd say £25m is about spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van der MoodHoover Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, SIWY said: According to Transfermarkt (Only done transfers over £1m) Ins: Thorne - 2 Johnson - 7 Ince - 6 Butterfield - 5 Shackell - 4 Weimann - 3.5 Blackman - 3 Camara - 1.5 Vydra - 8.5 Anya - 4 Nugent - 2.5 Lawrence - 5 Wisdom - 2 Huddlestone - 2 Jerome - 1.5 Waghorn - 5 Marriott - 3 Jozefzoon - 3 Outs: Vydra - 11 Weimann - 2 Ince - 8 Hughes - 8 Christie - 2.5 Hendrick - 10.5 Martin - 1.5 (loan fee) Grant - 1.5 So looks like we've pretty much spent about £70m over 5 seasons on transfers and brought back £45m. Based on that I'd say £25m is about spot on. Thats a much more complete list and could easily be just what the paper did. But its not of itself a particularly useful measure. If you're trying to estimate how active a club is likely to be in the transfer market that is (which is what the article claims to be). Need to look at a) what's the funding position and b) is the ffp position ok. You can't really get much of a handle on either just from the numbers around transfer fee ins and outs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamsFan10 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 6 hours ago, Carl Sagan said: Boro £37m SUPER RAMS £25m Steve Gibson must be fuming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilmslow Will Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Richard Keogh, £1m, Jason Shackell £1.1m, Conor Sammon £1.2m. Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadioactiveWaste Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, Wilmslow Will said: Richard Keogh, £1m, Jason Shackell £1.1m, Conor Sammon £1.2m. Discuss. Hit NCsigning Hit NC signing, Miss PC signing Miss NC signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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