Dave Mackay Ate My Hamster Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 With our recent last few season's wage bill reportedly around the £37million mark, does anyone think anyone in our squad is worth north of 15K a week.? With a squad of, say 25 players at 15K a week wage cap, with an allowance of 2 players of up to 30K a week, the average being about 8-10, we could shrink our wage bill to about the £17m mark. For an upper Championship team, do we think we have a single player who warrants a wage above 15k? I know we're tied into old contracts, but a lot of them are expiring at the end of this season. Nobody in our squad has warranted a salary above £20k, let alone 30 plus. If we unearth a gem, let them benefit financially, but based on at least a season and a half of consistent performances. We've paid top dollar wages, but, in the main, we're getting average championship performances that don't warrant near Premiership wages. Time to regroup and pay proportionate wages, only increased by performances out of our league. Start where we are, then reward upwards in a measured way. Brighton, Bournemouth, Huddersfield. They got out of our league without paying near Premiership wages. Wages should reflect performances, not club expectations and the personal wealth of the owner.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Mackay Ate My Hamster Posted April 18, 2019 Author Share Posted April 18, 2019 Might I add, that we do have the wherewithal to upgrade from those parameters, just SOLELY based on performances.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i-Ram Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 The ballboys are on £18k per week, and Rammie ain’t putting his gear on for any less than £100k per month. Football is ducked don’t you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramarena Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Unless you have the wages to hand and the wages of players who can replace them for less then it’s a bit of a fruitless exercise. I haven’t got a ducking clue what players earn whether at our club or our rivals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Mackay Ate My Hamster Posted April 18, 2019 Author Share Posted April 18, 2019 We've clearly been living beyond our means salary-wise for many a season. Performances haven't matched that. Surely just a cost versus benefit, back of a fag packet simple economic conclusion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 7 hours ago, Dave Mackay Ate My Hamster said: With our recent last few season's wage bill reportedly around the £37million mark, does anyone think anyone in our squad is worth north of 15K a week.? With a squad of, say 25 players at 15K a week wage cap, with an allowance of 2 players of up to 30K a week, the average being about 8-10, we could shrink our wage bill to about the £17m mark. For an upper Championship team, do we think we have a single player who warrants a wage above 15k? I know we're tied into old contracts, but a lot of them are expiring at the end of this season. Nobody in our squad has warranted a salary above £20k, let alone 30 plus. If we unearth a gem, let them benefit financially, but based on at least a season and a half of consistent performances. We've paid top dollar wages, but, in the main, we're getting average championship performances that don't warrant near Premiership wages. Time to regroup and pay proportionate wages, only increased by performances out of our league. Start where we are, then reward upwards in a measured way. Brighton, Bournemouth, Huddersfield. They got out of our league without paying near Premiership wages. Wages should reflect performances, not club expectations and the personal wealth of the owner.... £17m drops us to bottom 6 wage territory. Only Millwall (£13m), Preston (15m), Burton (£10m), Brentford (£17m), and Barnsley (£11m) were at or below that figure last season. Two of those got relegated, whilst another may drop this year. Given we’re above the bottom 6, and a bottom 6 side having an average wage of £15k, then I would say our regular players deserve more than £15k pw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 The wages bill includes more than just the players: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnero Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Current ave player wage would be around £1m a year (£20k a week) once the 123 non-playing staff have been removed from the calculation. Too many senior players has been the biggest problem in my opinion, rather than necessarily the average wage paid which is likely to be similar to our competitors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 In pretty much all other walks of life, employees are paid as low as the bosses can get away with paying them or based on how much profit they help generate. Football appears to be the complete opposite. There's very few measures that can be used to assess how much a player is worth, the general rule appears to be as much as the agent can squeeze out of the club. I'd be much more in favour of low basic wages with heavy incentives. This way you're only going to be splashing out the cash if your team is doing well and hopefully your players would always be motivated to put the effort in. Would hopefully make it easier to shift players that weren't performing or were no longer part of the plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ariotofmyown Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 14 minutes ago, G STAR RAM said: In pretty much all other walks of life, employees are paid as low as the bosses can get away with paying them or based on how much profit they help generate. Football appears to be the complete opposite. There's very few measures that can be used to assess how much a player is worth, the general rule appears to be as much as the agent can squeeze out of the club. I'd be much more in favour of low basic wages with heavy incentives. This way you're only going to be splashing out the cash if your team is doing well and hopefully your players would always be motivated to put the effort in. Would hopefully make it easier to shift players that weren't performing or were no longer part of the plans. If that is what you are demanding, how are we ever gonna persuade players of the quality of Butters, Johnson, Anya or Blackman to join?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnigmaRam Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 30 minutes ago, ariotofmyown said: If that is what you are demanding, how are we ever gonna persuade players of the quality of Butters, Johnson, Anya or Blackman to join?? I really don’t see why Johnson always gets lumped in with those others. He’s always given his all, always battles and has done well imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G STAR RAM Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, EnigmaRam said: I really don’t see why Johnson always gets lumped in with those others. He’s always given his all, always battles and has done well imo Agreed. We overpaid for him in the context of how he has been used but personally I think that applies to all of the players that were mentioned. I think if you look at the cvs of them players, it is only at Derby where they have been huge failures (although Butterfield has probably failed to shine a few times now) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo jones Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 13 hours ago, Dave Mackay Ate My Hamster said: We've clearly been living beyond our means salary-wise for many a season. Performances haven't matched that. Surely just a cost versus benefit, back of a fag packet simple economic conclusion? A major problem has been the size of wages being payed to players nowhere near the first team. Anya, Martin, butterfield, Blackman, nugent, wisdom etc.. that’s where it has gone wrong. What we are paying our first team regulars is probably similar to the rest of the “bigger” championship clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anag Ram Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 18 hours ago, i-Ram said: The ballboys are on £18k per week, and Rammie ain’t putting his gear on for any less than £100k per month. Football is ducked don’t you know. Bet Rammie gets paid more than Ewie. # genderpaygap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BramcoteRam84 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Firstly, let’s get rid of the £12m+ wages that haven’t kicked a ball for Derby this season!! Should make good in roads into the wage bill with Blackman Butterfield Olsson Pearce all going. Nuge and Johnson I think will also go. We’ll still be saddled with Anya Martin and Thorne for another season. New recruits, £15-20k per week and no more, but more importantly right age or with a point to prove. Signings like Shinnie are spot on for where we are right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ram1964 Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Wages are relative irrespective of how eye watering they may appear to normal hard-working folk. I believe in hindsight ( what a wonderful thing) we have overpaid certainly on transfer fees and wages more often than most clubs in this division.Can't blame the players for that but should look more at home into who were negotiating contracts and signing these players. In footballing terms, Keogh is certainly worth more than 20k a week and Carson on his previous season's performances. Other players may very well be worth it on their day but unfortunately consistency seams to plague us. Can't think of many signings in recent years that haven't been considered positive on here yet many players have either not managed to perform or improve to meet our expectations on a regular basis. Only need to scour this forum to see how one week Lawrence,Keogh,Bradley,Carson and the likes are God's and the next week get slaughtered for their efforts. obviously the fact that we haven't been able to unload some players suggest that other clubs consider their present contracts too generous .But if these players were achieving ,meeting our expectations their contracts would presumably Seam resonable. So did we get screwed over time and time again? Or have we failed to utilise these players correctly in order to maximise their worth both financially and on the pitch.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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