cheron85 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 16 minutes ago, RoyMac5 said: Who then? Marriott was nailed on, but now? Waghorn has had one good game and bits in some, but was a snip at £5m. Holmes? Evans? Malone? easy to say no as yes for them. Loans have been the best of the lot but bottom line is they do better for their own ambitions than ours, unless we get promoted. You can't ignore loans because it still involves the staff being able to identify and then land players they think are going to improve a side for a single season - Arguably that's actually more challenging - If you have 3-4 years to get a player to adapt to your system you can take a punt on someone who might turn into a good player whereas a loan you have to know they're going to deliver the good immediately It's all opinion - And I think you're a harsher critic than I am - But I'd say: Good Waghorn, Marriott, Holmes, Cole, Tomori, Malone, Wilson, Mount Indifferent Evans, King, Ambrose Bad (but have seen flashes of a player in there so probably just needs time) FloJo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VulcanRam Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Every time I've seen him play, which admittedly is only when we play Wigan or on the telly, strikes me as a lot of hype because he was once an up and coming player at Man U, but not much product. Mid table sort of player. Though he has struggled this season with his hamstring, so I might be doing him a disservice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 32 minutes ago, cheron85 said: It's all opinion - And I think you're a harsher critic than I am - But I'd say: Good Waghorn, Marriott, Holmes, Cole, Tomori, Malone, Wilson, Mount Indifferent Evans, King, Ambrose Bad (but have seen flashes of a player in there so probably just needs time) FloJo interesting topic, I think there is something about potential rather than just immediate assessment Good Marriott, Holmes, Tomori, Wilson, Mount Likely to be good Waghorn, Malone, Unknown (or temporary) King, Ambrose, Cole, Likely to be poor Evans Poor FloJo, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Spanish said: interesting topic, I think there is something about potential rather than just immediate assessment Good Marriott, Holmes, Tomori, Wilson, Mount Likely to be good Waghorn, Malone, Unknown (or temporary) King, Ambrose, Cole, Likely to be poor Evans Poor FloJo, I choose to give FloJo and Evans the benefit of the doubt - FloJo has had a couple of very good games when we've played well and a couple of very poor games when we've been poor - That's been the whole attacking unit this season though - Seems they're either all good or all terrible at the same time - With the odd game where Wilson is poop most of the game and then bangs one in from 800 yards ? I bloomin' love Marriott but would like to point out: Marriott - 10 goals, 3 assists - 227 mins per goal - Shots on target 56% Waghorn - 11 goals, 4 assists - 211 mins per goal - Shots on target 65% Waggers I feel is being criminally underrated by vast swathes of our fanbase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, cheron85 said: I choose to give FloJo and Evans the benefit of the doubt - FloJo has had a couple of very good games when we've played well and a couple of very poor games when we've been poor - That's been the whole attacking unit this season though - Seems they're either all good or all terrible at the same time - With the odd game where Wilson is poop most of the game and then bangs one in from 800 yards ? I bloomin' love Marriott but would like to point out: Marriott - 10 goals, 3 assists - 227 mins per goal - Shots on target 56% Waghorn - 11 goals, 4 assists - 211 mins per goal - Shots on target 65% Waggers I feel is being criminally underrated by vast swathes of our fanbase like you say, just an opinion. I feel he is not just commanding enough and I am often underwhelmed by him. We have failed to replace the original version of Chris Martin and before anybody says it the current version is not of the same standard as the original Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archied Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Spanish said: interesting topic, I think there is something about potential rather than just immediate assessment Good Marriott, Holmes, Tomori, Wilson, Mount Likely to be good Waghorn, Malone, Unknown (or temporary) King, Ambrose, Cole, Likely to be poor Evans Poor FloJo, There’s a bit of a love in rose tinted view of Marriott with a lot of our fans ,, he has a lot to prove and fits the likely to be good group , he has shown a bit of promise but very early days yet indeed given he is not established in the manager and coaches eyes as a must in the 18 let alone 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrivateDerby Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 Remember Cloughie wanted him early on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheron85 Posted April 17, 2019 Share Posted April 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Spanish said: like you say, just an opinion. I feel he is not just commanding enough and I am often underwhelmed by him. We have failed to replace the original version of Chris Martin and before anybody says it the current version is not of the same standard as the original Yeh, appreciate where you're coming from - But I find the comparison to Martin a little too simple - I think they're very different players - Waggers for me is somewhere in between a Martin and a Marriott - He can do the 'back to goal' hold up play, neat little passes, understanding the flow of the game that Martin has - But he also gets down the channels, can beat a man and has the 'hustle' which Marriott has too - The yards Waggers covers in a game must be high as he's constantly chasing down defenders where Martin was more about finding his own space I love Martin and always will - Think he's been screwed by a series of managers at the club and I think his form has suffered for it - But I don't think we can directly compare Waghorn to him as they're stylistically different players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade 86 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 FWIW Excellent - Mount, Tomori Nearly Excellent - Holmes, Wilson Good - Marriott, Waghorn, Fair - Cole, Malone Disappointing - FloJo, Evans Inspired Promotion From Youth - Bogle I think a good few of the above can show better form in the future too so not a B + rating from me. I still think that George Evans can show he is far better than we've seen too. As a side note, I've mentioned before that my lad is still in touch with a couple of the Chelski youth team players and Derby are apparently to be offered first dibs on any Chelsea loans (outside the prem assuming we don't secure promotion) as they are delighted with the way Mount and especially Tomori have been handled in their time at the club which bodes well for next season. Frank was obviously favoured to a large degree in any case but he's more than cemented that relationship this season which has to be a big positive. Back on thread, I'd think Powell is something of a longshot but would be a great signing for sure if Lamps can charm him into joining us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maydrakin Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 I haven’t seen enough of him to make a definitive view, but he’s not shown anything in the games I have seen to make me believe any of the hype that seems to surround him. He looks like a luxury player who hides when the going gets tough from what I have seen so far... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodley Ram Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 On 17/04/2019 at 13:48, Archied said: There’s a bit of a love in rose tinted view of Marriott with a lot of our fans ,, he has a lot to prove and fits the likely to be good group , he has shown a bit of promise but very early days yet indeed given he is not established in the manager and coaches eyes as a must in the 18 let alone 11 Still think we need someone with a bit of height up front, I think Marriott would do well running off a larger forward, we might even score from a corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, Woodley Ram said: Still think we need someone with a bit of height up front, I think Marriott would do well running off a larger forward, we might even score from a corner Mount's against Bolton (assisted by Cole) wasn't good enough for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodley Ram Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 7 hours ago, Ghost of Clough said: Mount's against Bolton (assisted by Cole) wasn't good enough for you? Had nothing to do with height, we would create more chances and cause more problems with a bit of height up front Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckTaylor64 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Commands high wages and not got a good injury record. Nice to see Evans put in a performance on Saturday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaLocks Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 On 16/04/2019 at 10:05, RamLad1884 said: At the bottom of a very long list of decent clubs there. Can't see him turning his nose up at any of those clubs for us unless we were a Prem team. Get your poiint but probably a bit of DET dartboard journalism going on there as well. Either that or wild speculation as they have cut and pasted some post from 'ITK-Latic' on the Wigan board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkFruitsRam7 Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 On 18/04/2019 at 23:53, 86 points said: FWIW Excellent - Mount, Tomori Nearly Excellent - Holmes, Wilson Good - Marriott, Waghorn, Fair - Cole, Malone Disappointing - FloJo, Evans Inspired Promotion From Youth - Bogle I agree with almost all of that. I would put Wilson in the excellent category though, as he's won us more points on his own than any other player this season. I know he goes missing a bit but I feel that he's slightly underrated by our fans. He also continues to score even when he's not playing that well. I'd put Marriott in a category of his own. Good, with the potential to be excellent. To fulfil this potential I reckon he needs a good pre-season. The same could be said of Holmes as well to be fair, who I absolutely love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rample Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 On 18/04/2019 at 23:53, 86 points said: FWIW Excellent - Mount, Tomori Nearly Excellent - Holmes, Wilson Good - Marriott, Waghorn Fair - Cole, Malone Disappointing - FloJo, Evans Inspired Promotion From Youth - Bogle Pretty much spot on, but to be fair, at the end of last season a lot were calling for Bogle to be promoted. Holmes and Waghorn should be graded according to their cost as a bargain and adequate respectively. Flojo and Evans have so far been pricey squad/utility players, and Ambrose is off the chart. May as well have kept Pearce. Thorne and Thomas here. Evans could yet turn out to be a gem in the coming game(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Gnarly Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 33 minutes ago, Rample said: May as well have kept Pearce. Thorne and Thomas here. Evans could yet turn out to be a gem in the coming game(s). Pearce wanted to leave to get game time if I remember correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Rample said: Pretty much spot on, but to be fair, at the end of last season a lot were calling for Bogle to be promoted. Holmes and Waghorn should be graded according to their cost as a bargain and adequate respectively. Flojo and Evans have so far been pricey squad/utility players, and Ambrose is off the chart. May as well have kept Pearce. Thorne and Thomas here. Evans could yet turn out to be a gem in the coming game(s). FloJo vs Thomas - Thomas needs to play games to improve and that was unlikely to happen. FloJo has been a useful (but slightly expensive) squad player. Evans vs Thorne - Evans is probably on 1/2th of what Thorne is on. Ambrose vs Pearce - Ambrose is probably earning 1/5th of what Pearce is on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Gnarly Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 28 minutes ago, Ghost of Clough said: FloJo vs Thomas - Thomas needs to play games to improve and that was unlikely to happen. FloJo has been a useful (but slightly expensive) squad player. Evans vs Thorne - Evans is probably on 1/2th of what Thorne is on. Ambrose vs Pearce - Ambrose is probably earning 1/5th of what Pearce is on What fraction is this haha, a halfth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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