David Posted April 27, 2019 Author Share Posted April 27, 2019 Well this is all very odd, Anderson calls out Bassini then with his final line offers him the chance to complete the deal by Monday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 Last chance saloon it seems - for all parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulcanboy Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 After some "very brief" reading up on messrs Anderson & Bassini,( what a choice) I'm thankful we have Mel at the helm ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnieronalde Posted April 27, 2019 Share Posted April 27, 2019 They effectively cheated us out of a place in the Championship, signed two of our better players in Lloyd Dyer and Luke Murphy, then tried to sign Liam Boyce for a million in January when it must have been clear they could afford neither the fee nor his wages. The EFL have bottled it with them and teams like Birmingham for too long. I feel sorry for the fans and the EFL expecting 17 and 18 year old kids to break a picket line is a disgrace. Imagine the situation from their side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaltRam Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 On 27/04/2019 at 22:09, ronnieronalde said: They effectively cheated us out of a place in the Championship, signed two of our better players in Lloyd Dyer and Luke Murphy, then tried to sign Liam Boyce for a million in January when it must have been clear they could afford neither the fee nor his wages. The EFL have bottled it with them and teams like Birmingham for too long. I feel sorry for the fans and the EFL expecting 17 and 18 year old kids to break a picket line is a disgrace. Imagine the situation from their side. Not exactly the General Strike of 1926 though, is it? Not completing the fixtures probably means end of club, and nobody involved is starving. Senior pro's, having made their point, should step up and finish the season IMO, or at least make it a comfortable situation for the young lads to play. I know they've been shafted, but not playing doesn't hurt anyone but the fans, and won't do the players or any of the staff any good at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilkleyram Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 Perhaps if it were any other organisation that hadn't paid its workers for a couple of months that we would be telling them to down tools until they got paid, that their contracts had been breached so they would be entitled to walk away. So why is football any different? Possibly it's because of the emotions involved, the history (and in Bolton's case a significant history), the links with the community and the impact on the locality which make any football club different from Woolworths, any bank brand or Debenhams branch, and many others recently. Or maybe not. But at a time when football is so pompously proud to refer to itself as a 'family' at a time of the slightest crisis, the amount of money in the game generally and the amount of practical help available is in inverse proportions. You can hear the EFL great and good: 'don't like that chap Anderson and that Bassini fellow's a bit fishy. Can't be having him. What's that you say, players going on strike? Tell 'em we'll throw them out of the league.' Very helpful. I wonder how much the PFA's annual bash cost at the weekend and whether there were any collections amongst the myriad millionaires on show to help the Bolton players pay their mortgages. Have Sky helped, or BT sport or the clubs in the top 5 wealthiest clubs in the world within 20 miles of the Macron? Nope, thought not. Football generally is in a complete financial mess, from Fifa downwards and upwards, practically and morally. And we're only Mel Morris away from being in a similar position to Bolton unless we can get our finances under better control in the next couple of years (and in days of yore Stuart Webb, Maxwell (however dodgy that might have been in reality), Lionel or the Americans). Maybe it needs a Bolton to go out of business for the message to hit home but somehow you think not. The gravy train has long since left the station, everyone's in first class or trying to be and no one can afford it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 8 hours ago, Needless said: Not exactly the General Strike of 1926 though, is it? Not completing the fixtures probably means end of club, and nobody involved is starving. Senior pro's, having made their point, should step up and finish the season IMO, or at least make it a comfortable situation for the young lads to play. I know they've been shafted, but not playing doesn't hurt anyone but the fans, and won't do the players or any of the staff any good at all. It takes more than 11 men turning out to put on a match, those earning less a year than the players make in a few days will feel the stance is very appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sith Happens Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 The guy buying Bolton was supposed to provide proof of funds by 5pm yesterday. Now being said if the sale doesnt go through today club will go into administration. Also being said the game the brentford game may now take place NEXT thursday after the season has finished. Why bother? If they can play this weekend let them and just award a 5-0 result to Brentford or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRam Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Clough Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, SaintRam said: Works both ways. It's a good opportunity for the kids to secure a deal elsewhere if they impress, or they can earn a spot in the first team next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 12 hours ago, Needless said: Not exactly the General Strike of 1926 though, is it? Not completing the fixtures probably means end of club, and nobody involved is starving. Senior pro's, having made their point, should step up and finish the season IMO, or at least make it a comfortable situation for the young lads to play. I know they've been shafted, but not playing doesn't hurt anyone but the fans, and won't do the players or any of the staff any good at all. So say, for example, they play for free and one gets a compound fracture and another an ACL that effectively ends both their careers. Would that be worth it for literally no good reason? Whilst playing for free they've lost all ability to earn in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metalsheep02 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 If, and it seems a big if at the moment, Bolton's results were removed from the record as part of the sanctions the EFL may apply then I think we would lose 3 points but Villa and Boro would lose 6 points each. So a draw tomorrow secures play-offs and a win puts us level with Villa going into the final day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 27 minutes ago, metalsheep02 said: If, and it seems a big if at the moment, Bolton's results were removed from the record as part of the sanctions the EFL may apply then I think we would lose 3 points but Villa and Boro would lose 6 points each. So a draw tomorrow secures play-offs and a win puts us level with Villa going into the final day. Works the other way, you all get given wins as far as I'm aware. We would be 3 points ahead of Boro if it were to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaltRam Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 7 hours ago, Paul71 said: It takes more than 11 men turning out to put on a match, those earning less a year than the players make in a few days will feel the stance is very appropriate. Maybe, but if a principled stance costs the club it's existance and everyone working there their livelihood? Pyrrhic victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaltRam Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Srg said: So say, for example, they play for free and one gets a compound fracture and another an ACL that effectively ends both their careers. Would that be worth it for literally no good reason? Whilst playing for free they've lost all ability to earn in the future. So let the club fold in case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnieronalde Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 24 minutes ago, Needless said: Maybe, but if a principled stance costs the club it's existance and everyone working there their livelihood? Pyrrhic victory. It's not a principled stance. They are trying to get paid. What livelihood do they have now exactly? Showing up for work everyday, using their own money to do so. All to work for a crook? and YES let them fold. They've cheated, they've let ordinary people as well as players work and they've not paid them. They've bought players they can't afford to stay in a division another club should have been in. The managers are as responsible as the owners. They've kept spending. They've kept buying players they can't afford. It is a disgrace that clubs are allowed to rack up debts, not pay them back, have them wiped out and then start again in the same position. Let them fold, let them start again like cubs like Halifax, Scarborough had to do. They've cheated. No-one forced them so spend such obscene amounts of money and don't forget the ordinary businesses they've screwed as well. They deserve to be relegated out of the league. I fancy somehow the EFL will find a way to keep them in League One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaltRam Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 1 hour ago, ronnieronalde said: It's not a principled stance. They are trying to get paid. What livelihood do they have now exactly? Showing up for work everyday, using their own money to do so. All to work for a crook? and YES let them fold. They've cheated, they've let ordinary people as well as players work and they've not paid them. They've bought players they can't afford to stay in a division another club should have been in. The managers are as responsible as the owners. They've kept spending. They've kept buying players they can't afford. It is a disgrace that clubs are allowed to rack up debts, not pay them back, have them wiped out and then start again in the same position. Let them fold, let them start again like cubs like Halifax, Scarborough had to do. They've cheated. No-one forced them so spend such obscene amounts of money and don't forget the ordinary businesses they've screwed as well. They deserve to be relegated out of the league. I fancy somehow the EFL will find a way to keep them in League One. So, by your own words, it clearly it is a principled stance. I think you've got some anger here which is being directed with all the precision of an unattended firehose. Who gets hurt if Bolton fold? The previous owners? The players who can find another club? Only the fans, who are blameless in this. 15 years or so after the 'Fit and Proper Person' test, we get more of these issues than ever. The 'bad guys' here are the previous owners, the FA and the EFL. Letting a proud old club fold helps how? No-one 'lets' clubs write off huge debt. Clubs in debt have to abide by the same law of the land as do any endebted business. Often the last asset of such a club is the history and good name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srg Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Needless said: So let the club fold in case? Well as none of them are Bolton fans, then yes, if that's what it comes to. I would guess you wouldn't turn up to your place of employment to work for free, potentially risking your ability to earn in the future through your own health, just to stop them from going bankrupt would you? This isn't any different just because it's a sports team that has fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therealhantsram Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Well apparently, the EFL have announced Bolton's postponed game against Brentford will not take place this week. EFL to make an announcement on Thu about when the game will be played. Absolutely astonishing that EFL are going to allow games to be played after the final Sunday of the season. EDIT: I stand corrected "EFL regulations do provide for any League match to be played within four days of the end of the normal playing season (Sunday 5 May 2019)" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronnieronalde Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 33 minutes ago, Needless said: So, by your own words, it clearly it is a principled stance. I think you've got some anger here which is being directed with all the precision of an unattended firehose. Who gets hurt if Bolton fold? The previous owners? The players who can find another club? Only the fans, who are blameless in this. 15 years or so after the 'Fit and Proper Person' test, we get more of these issues than ever. The 'bad guys' here are the previous owners, the FA and the EFL. Letting a proud old club fold helps how? No-one 'lets' clubs write off huge debt. Clubs in debt have to abide by the same law of the land as do any endebted business. Often the last asset of such a club is the history and good name. Who's fault was it? Not angry per se. Just had enough of clubs spending what they don't have. It's about time a stop was put to it. Why not Bolton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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